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  • I don't understand how this determines if you are authoritarian or libertarian social.
    A liberal authoritarian would use a one party state, as a vehicle to enforce liberal ideals. The same thing with a conservative authoritarian. The idea is that a one party state, enables the state to clamp down on dissent in all forms, to a much greater deal than a multi-party system.

    A libertarian would crave the political discourse and discussion found in a multi-party system, as an important check on the power of the state, and an increase in the rights of an individual.

    Make sense?
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    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
      One party systems are better for democracy, in expediting the decisions of the state.
      I don't think the statement would be better. I'd expect more people to say no because of the question's flaw (because most of us people living in a democracy have learned to dissociate democracy from one-party systems) than currently.
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      • I think rewording the question brings out the real issue. What is more important in a democracy? Smooth running of the state, or checks and balances? You can find cases of both in democratic states.
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        • [QUOTE] Originally posted by Spiffor
          However, you plunge in another problem : people will often not have the same opinion of left/wing, authoritarian/libertarian, or whatever than the pollster.
          For example, I cannot even understand why Oerdin is on the center-left on the economic scale. It strikes me as completely absurd, considering that he is an outspoken supporter of the free market and of fire-at-will practices, while he considers European like welfare system to be bloat that should be heavily purged.[/q]

          The reason is stupidly biased questions like "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." No one (well, maybe some ) is going to say "oh, I want transnational corporations to benefit over humanity!" The problem is that the basic assumption of the question, that there is a fundamental, necessary conflict between the two, is heavily slanted towards the left. Then there's "What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us." That's absurd - what would be 'good' for corporations would be the ability to steal people off the street and keep them as slaves. But simply thinking that corporations should be bound by the same laws by which individuals are bound certainly doesn't make you a lefty.

          The difference is that income is already measured. You know that you earn 30,000$ a year. You know that you are 36. You know that you have a BA (which is the usual measure of education, for all its flaws). You don't know that you're -5.42 on economic and -2.30 on social matters.


          You do know that you are in favor, or not in favor, of government regulation of, say, news broadcasts to keep them "factual", which may be completely separate from whether or not you think they are too much entertainment and too little information right now. You do know whether you think people should be allowed to have sex out of marriage, which may be completely separate from whether you think it is moral.

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          • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
            A liberal authoritarian would use a one party state, as a vehicle to enforce liberal ideals. The same thing with a conservative authoritarian. The idea is that a one party state, enables the state to clamp down on dissent in all forms, to a much greater deal than a multi-party system.

            A libertarian would crave the political discourse and discussion found in a multi-party system, as an important check on the power of the state, and an increase in the rights of an individual.

            Make sense?
            Even that breaks down when you consider people like DF and elijah, who'd be just as happy under a monarchy as long as they were guaranteed their rights.

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            • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              The reason is stupidly biased questions like "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." No one (well, maybe some ) is going to say "oh, I want transnational corporations to benefit over humanity!"
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              • psst... I wasn't talking about you

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                • You are mistaken. You were talking about me.



                  The reason I said "strongly disagree" was because I strongly disagreed with the premise that those interests are opposed.
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                  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                    A liberal authoritarian would use a one party state, as a vehicle to enforce liberal ideals. The same thing with a conservative authoritarian. The idea is that a one party state, enables the state to clamp down on dissent in all forms, to a much greater deal than a multi-party system.

                    A libertarian would crave the political discourse and discussion found in a multi-party system, as an important check on the power of the state, and an increase in the rights of an individual.

                    Make sense?
                    But you can be in favor of a multi party system and still believe that one party systems are more efficient.
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                    • How come you're on here Ben? I thought you would be busy fuming at your television, given that the Morgentaler movie is on tonight.

                      Have you written an outraged letter of complaint yet?
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                        Even that breaks down when you consider people like DF and elijah, who'd be just as happy under a monarchy as long as they were guaranteed their rights.
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                        • Kuciwalker is right. This test is pretty screwed up.
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                          • Again, the test is meant to be general. If it suited you guys, most people wouldn't see the questions as relevant and wouldn't take the test.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
                              A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.
                              This is a stupid question. That is an advantage of a one-party state, but it's not an advocation of one.
                              There is one big flaw in this. It demands that decisions made by a one-party state are the right ones, but history has proven well that that isn't the case - quite opposite. With democracy there are at least a chance to stop the worst mistakes.
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                              • Originally posted by BlackCat


                                This is a stupid question. That is an advantage of a one-party state, but it's not an advocation of one.
                                There is one big flaw in this. It demands that decisions made by a one-party state are the right ones, but history has proven well that that isn't the case - quite opposite. With democracy there are at least a chance to stop the worst mistakes.
                                No. It assumes that neither one party systems or multiparty systems come to better decisions, but that one party systems make decisions with less delay.
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