United States of Europe vs. Stalinland: Ukraine, pt. II

[Last Conformist]

Yeah, it's really like the Ukrainians are gonna outcompete us on a serious scale.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Putin's attacks upon private companies which challenge his power will severly ****** Russia's future development. Just as Putin's playing with the legal and political systems to keep both him and his cronies in control will harm Russia's long term stability and development.

Sorry, but this is complete BS.
1)Putin doesn't attack companies. The public prosecutor of Russia initiated the cases vs. companies who rob Russia via not paying billions of dollars as taxes. Was Al Capone a ****ing freedom fighter who chalenged the power of US president or he was a mafiozo who was caught for not paying taxes? Al Capone is a virgin in comparison with Khodarkovsky. He made billions USD within a couple of years absolutely from nothing.
2) What Puting doing is making more democratic Russia and it's very imporatant less corrupt Russia. The whole idea of his reform is to create few, but real political parties that will represent their voters in the parliament. We had several dozens of parties during last parliament election. It's nonsence. Almost any banch of morons can gather, proclaime themselves a political party and go to parliament election. With so many parties, nobody ever is responsible for anything. It's just a BS situation. Damn, we even had the party of beer-lovers. Putin is absolutely right on this issue. People need few, but real political parties with absolutely clear programs and goal who will represent their interests in the parliament.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Yeah, it's really like the Ukrainians are gonna outcompete us on a serious scale.

EXACTLY!
They had only one market for their goods- the Russian market. Like it or not, they share the bond with Russia.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb


You want them free? FINE GODDAMNIT! TAKE THEM! All you have to do is to give them millions, millions, millions and millions of bucks every month absolutely for free (with no chance to ever return them, I'm not talking about debt here, I'm talking about donatations), to supply them with oil and gas, to open your market for their goods (which mean that hundreds of thousands of your workers will lose their jobs and you'll have to pay their unemployment reliefs). That's all. Take them for all I care.

Serb, I'm really confused ! You fight like hell to keep control over something you mean are worthless and just cost wast amounts of resources - you even accept that election fraud is a reasonable way to keep this control - do you really belive that those resources couldn't be used more sensible back home ?

If you are thinking that election of a Moscow puppet would reduce the export of jobs to Ukraine, then you are really far out. Eouropean companies are already exporting production to ukraine, and they would just love a moscow puppet keeping the costs low. That will probably not happen now since the econmical growth in Ukraine will go up faster than expected.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
It seems You do care... What could otherwise be the reason for all your rant here and in the "Ukraine" thread?

h a t e

[Whoha]

Oh yea, Yushenko's wife was apparently a Reagan administration aide of some sorts.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb


EXACTLY!
They had only one market for their goods- the Russian market. Like it or not, they share the bond with Russia.

BS. Their market may have been too closely connected to the russian market with those drawbacks that have. If they get other opportunities, they will probably get out of the mud thy have been in for years.

[Heresson]

towards who

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Serb, I'm really confused ! You fight like hell to keep control over something you mean are worthless and just cost wast amounts of resources - you even accept that election fraud is a reasonable way to keep this control - do you really belive that those resources couldn't be used more sensible back home ?

I believe they SHOULD BE. If Ukraine want to be "independent" (like we opress them somehow ), fine, but why the hell WE should pay for this?

If you are thinking that election of a Moscow puppet would reduce the export of jobs to Ukraine, then you are really far out. Eouropean companies are already exporting production to ukraine, and they would just love a moscow puppet keeping the costs low.

Check figures of Ukranian import/export I've posted on the previous page.

That will probably not happen now since the econmical growth in Ukraine will go up faster than expected.

When Yushenko was pm he f*cked up Ukranian economy. What makes you think he will do better as president?

Wanna bet? I bet that after a couple of years of his presidency Ukraine will be an even worse sh!thole than it is now.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
towards who

You of course and towards your advanced western, democratic, brainwashed friends.
Have nice night I'm log out

[Heresson]

My heart bleeds

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Whoha
Oh yea, Yushenko's wife was apparently a Reagan administration aide of some sorts.

I am a little confused about this point. If i'm not wrong, then Ukraine has been run by Moscow puppets for more than 10 years, so how can the admin be against moscow - such people would have been weded out long ago.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Certainly, i get the picture, and if i was an Ukranian i would run like hell to get free of such terms.

Btw, why should Ukraine be more woulnerable than any other country ? Other colonies have done fine since the fall of the soviet empire - it may hurt for a short while, but later it only gets better.

Whom exactly do you mean? Beylorussia? Estonia? Latvia? Who?
Poland or Czechs or Hungary were not part of the Soviet Empire. They always lived better than people in Soviet republics. Always had better infrastructure and industry. And Poland is doing just fine? With 20% of unemployed and over 100 billions of Euro as national debt, they made within few years?
And one more thing. UKraine is not part of evil Russian Empire. THEY GOT THEIR INDEPENDENCE 13 YEARS AGO. They had 13 years of independence to became like Poland or Czechs, why they didn't? And why the hell they should become now?

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I am a little confused about this point. If i'm not wrong, then Ukraine has been run by Moscow puppets for more than 10 years, so how can the admin be against moscow - such people would have been weded out long ago.

Holy crap. The west is hopeless. How can anyone be so brainwashed? Pravda is the childish paper in comparison with your freepresspropagandabrainwashingmachines.
****

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
My heart bleeds

Good.