United States of Europe vs. Stalinland: Ukraine, pt. II

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb

I believe they SHOULD BE. If Ukraine want to be "independent" (like we opress them somehow ), fine, but why the hell WE should pay for this?

Then stop paying and stop acting like a fool.

Check figures of Ukranian import/export I've posted on the previous page.




When Yushenko was pm he f*cked up Ukranian economy. What makes you think he will do better as president?

Wanna bet? I bet that after a couple of years of his presidency Ukraine will even worse sh!thole than it is now.

Really, i don't care much about how bad a moscow puppet has done previously.

Yeah, a pm controlled by a moscow puppet president really has the freedom to do what he wants. My guess is that in a few years, russians will look at Ukraine with envy and ask why they are not doing it equally well.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Yeah, it's really like the Ukrainians are gonna outcompete us on a serious scale.

I'm guessing that on a hourly bases once taxes, health costs, and various other costs are computed your average German or Swede probably costs around $50 per hour. If I was a manufacturer I'd be running to the east so fast your head would spin.

[Serb]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Then stop paying and stop acting like a fool.




Really, i don't care much about how bad a moscow puppet has done previously.

Yeah, a pm controlled by a moscow puppet president really has the freedom to do what he wants. My guess is that in a few years, russians will look at Ukraine with envy and ask why they are not doing it equally well.

I'm tired of this sh!t.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb


Holy crap. The west is hopeless. How can anyone be so brainwashed? Pravda is the childish paper in comparison with your freepresspropagandabrainwashingmachines.
****

Are you stating that kgb or rather their succesors are incompetent ?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Serb
Sorry, but this is complete BS.
1)Putin doesn't attack companies.

Putin is perfectly willing to look the other way to tax evasion and various misdealings by virtually every company in Russia, but, some how those people who oppose Putin's politics seem to always get into massive legal trouble which often ends in the theft of all of their property.

But if it makes you feel better you are right about one thing. Russia would be better off without the corruption but Putin won't stop the corruption because he's neck deep in it and he uses it to keep himself in power.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb


Good.

Wasn't You supposed to log out, hm?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Azazel
Yuschenko
Yanukovich
Freedom
Russian Imperialism
American Imperialism
Ted Striker

Azazel, I assume you speak for Israel in that you no longer want to be an American Imperial Outpost.

I shall herewith withdraw my personal support of Israel.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Serb
And one more thing. UKraine is not part of evil Russian Empire. THEY GOT THEIR INDEPENDENCE 13 YEARS AGO. They had 13 years of independence to became like Poland or Czechs, why they didn't? And why the hell they should become now?

The big reason is that for all of those 13 years the country has been run by decidedly pro-Moscow politicians who were more interested in maintaining their control then in really modernizing the national economy. Does anyone really think Kuchima helped the Ukrainian economy?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I'm guessing that on a hourly bases once taxes, health costs, and various other costs are computed your average German or Swede probably costs areoun $50 per hour. If I was a manufacturer I'd be running to the east so fast your head would spin.

They are. Several danish companies has moved first to the baltic area and are now moving to Ukraine and even furhter east.

This could sound like a bad thing, but the fact is that in the first year after such a movement, 90 % of the workers who lost a job has got a new. Actually, i think that this is a quite efficient way of boosting less developed economies and i am certain that Ukraine will feel the same effect.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Whoha
Oh yea, Yushenko's wife was apparently a Reagan administration aide of some sorts.

You have got to be kidding!!!!!

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb


I'm tired of this sh!t.

I really understand you, it must be a hell to imagine new fantasies every time you are shot down.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The big reason is that for all of those 13 years the country has been run by decidedly pro-Moscow politicians who were more interested in maintaining their control then in really modernizing the national economy. Does anyone really think Kuchima helped the Ukrainian economy?

Serb's apparently not around, so I'll make a point for him:
Kuczma was elected more or less democratically.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I am a little confused about this point. If i'm not wrong, then Ukraine has been run by Moscow puppets for more than 10 years, so how can the admin be against moscow - such people would have been weded out long ago.

yusch = challenger
Yano = current guy

and IIRC she was born in the Ukraine, fled to the US, worked in some minor position in the administration, and is now back there.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Yeah, a pm controlled by a moscow puppet president really has the freedom to do what he wants. My guess is that in a few years, russians will look at Ukraine with envy and ask why they are not doing it equally well.

I strongly disagree. Yushchenko is a corrupt hack who has already been Prime Minister. His coming to power comes along a grave political crisis, and a terrible division of the country.
It is very unlikely that such a bad president, in such a bad situation, manage to improve things any significantly. Actually, I expect many of the Orange supporters to be strongly disappointed as corruption and poverty will continue unabated.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Heresson
Serb's apparently not around, so I'll make a point for him:
Kuczma was elected more or less democratically.

Besides, Kuchma was certainly not a Russian stooge. He was pro-Russian, but he wove strong ties with the EU as well. A real Russian stooge would have gone the way of Belarus. Kuchma was much more independant than we like to depict ihm, and he was also much more pragmatic.