Ukraine

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by VJ
Even more hilarious: EU and US support the result which sees the candidate who favours goverment corruption and special deals to EU and US as a winner.

Who would've have guessed, indeed.

But oh wait... CNN says that Putin is an evil, evil man, so he's the one who must be lying. Right?


KERRY WAS LEADING IN THE POLLS TOO!

Revolution in the US!

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I agree 100%

I don't doubt there was voting manipulation, sure.
But what the western media did throughout the past months was shameful too. When I first heard about Yushchenko, I thought, hey, cool guy, go beat the Putin puppy. A logic reaction as my dislike of Putin goes to the extreme. But somehow, those feelings changed.
No matter to which channel I turned, I got always the exactly same message, without any considerable difference, most often they were identical to the very phrases: "The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic oppositional politician Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."
Yushchenko was portrayed unreflected as a saint and savior of free society against an all vile Jankulowski, no real background information, nothing. Only the repeating message: "The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic opponent Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."
Wow, there must have been much money in play, when you get such excellent footage all over the world, from San Francisco to Helsinki. But nobody really cares. "The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic opponent Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."

It's exactly what happened during the Yukos incident. Nobody questioned the person of Chodorkowski. Putin jailed the saint-like liberal politician Chodorkowski. Period, the news told me. No diverging coverage of the topic whatsoever.
Knock knock, are you there? Ever wondered how you manage to become one of the richest men in Russia at the age of 30something? Crime? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wake up, Janukowich might be Putin's toy but Yushchenko is probably not so much better, only serves other interests.
Oh, I forgot: "The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic opponent Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."

Ha, we got an exit poll, clear evidence of fraud! USA and EU cry a river.
Bush renounces from presidency and declares Ohio to be lost, next elections, votes don't get counted anymore, the winner is declared after exit polls, that's much safer!

Everyone in the free world is enraged about Ukraine, because we all know: "The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic opponent Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."

Again, just to remember everyone: I personally hate Putin and his gang.

[Serb]

The Moscow backed president Janukowich against the western oriented democratic opponent Yushchenko, voters fraud expected..."



Great post

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Myself, I prefer "little Odessa", in the Brighton Beach section of Brooklyn, NY.

Odessa, Texas. Famous meteorite finding site!

[Az]

Originally posted by DanS
I'm curious about a Virgin Mary icon that was shown as part of the demonstrations. Is there some particular religious angle to this election that hasn't been made explicit in the Western press?

DUH!

The "catholic" "nationalist" west, against the "orthodox" "russian" east.

[Serb]

Exactly.

http://www.strana.ru/stories/04/10/29/3567/233486.html

[DanS]

However, according to my reference books, only a very small portion of the Ukrainian populace is catholic.

[Serb]

Like it really matters. Western Ukranians (followers of Youshenko) hate Russians and everything Russian. In their hatered they became completely insane and now consider Ortodox Church as Moscow's Church. This bunch of crazy mofos forget where Russian Orthodox Church has started its history- in Kiev.

F*ckers beat priests who refused to agitate for Yushenko and commited various acts of vandalizm agaist Orthodox churches. One church which considered as historical monument (the really old one) was burnt. Stupid assh0les destroy their own history and culture. Bastards.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
You forgot Ruslana

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Serb


What irregularities are you talking about? Give me exact example of such irregularities. How exactly Yanukovich could cheat?

I suppose you're genuinely unable to to see the difference between a claim about external fact and one about the logical consistency of a claim. Idiot.

[Gangerolf]

Ethnic groups:

Ukrainian 77.8%, Russian 17.3%, Belarusian 0.6%, Moldovan 0.5%, Crimean Tatar 0.5%, Bulgarian 0.4%, Hungarian 0.3%, Romanian 0.3%, Polish 0.3%, Jewish 0.2%, other 1.8% (2001)

Religions:

Ukrainian Orthodox - Moscow Patriarchate 26.5%, Ukrainian Orthodox - Kiev Patriarchate 20%, Ukrainian Catholic (Uniate) 13%, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/up.html

IIUC, many who identify as Ukrainians has Russian as their first language?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III

It's exactly what happened during the Yukos incident. Nobody questioned the person of Chodorkowski. Putin jailed the saint-like liberal politician Chodorkowski. Period, the news told me. No diverging coverage of the topic whatsoever.
Knock knock, are you there? Ever wondered how you manage to become one of the richest men in Russia at the age of 30something? Crime? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

except there were other Russian billionaires, just as corrupt, who Putin did NOT go after. He only went after the one who supported the political opposition. Kinda like when Richard Nixon dropped antitrust charges against ITT for giving him a political contribution. Except that ITT wasnt the main support to his opposition, and Nixon was removed.

But Russia is democracy, and we shouldnt lecture them

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III


Odessa, Texas. Famous meteorite finding site!

Yah, but little Odessa, Brooklyn, is filled with Russians - I got great blini there, and bought a Russian language copy of Tolstoy for a russian speaking friend.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
But Russia is democracy, and we shouldnt lecture them

Except on their very obvious vote fraud. They need to learn from the Republicans, and maintain plausible deniablity.

[Saras]

Blini
Tolstoy
Russian meddling in neighbours politics

[lord of the mark]

since Serb is focusing on the need to settle this in Ukraines courts, this excerpt from the Beeb might be helpful

'The other key players in the post-election drama are the courts.

Many complaints about alleged election irregularities have already been registered.

"There is a possibility that the results from about 40 polling stations, mainly in the east and south of the country, will end up being cancelled," says Svetlana Dorozh, head of the BBC Ukrainian Service's Kiev bureau.

"People are talking about two million votes that have allegedly been falsified. It's enough, theoretically, to turn the election into a victory for Victor Yushchenko."

There is no doubt that the courts will be conscious of the huge public demonstrations of support for Mr Yushchenko as they consider these complaints.

They will also be aware, however, of the risks involved in crossing the men who have run Ukraine for the last few years - with the support of the country's most powerful and ruthless business tycoons. '


So, the courts are likely to be under pressure from the govt and it business backers, so the people are exerting pressure the other way, with demonstrations. Seems a logical strategy.