Dealing with Fundamentalism: Secular alternative, or take back the church?

[tinyp3nis]

Oh yeah I guess you guys are right it being a bit unfair to add the figures up, but it's still unclear what is exactly "partly creationism".

[Odin]

I think the majority of Americans believe evolution, but most of those have the misconception of evolution as a latter with us on top, which is incorrect. I bet those creationists never had an illness caused by drug-resistant bacteria.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
no they aren't

physical laws state that the earth will continue spinning given no other force or action

having some supernatural event is outside of the realm of what the physical law says

Jon Miller

Are you saying that when Jesus walked on water, an equal and opposite force was exerted on God?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why would they steal the body? The disciples had no motivation to do so.

You mean besides being able to claim that he rose from the dead?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What about saying that God, rather than chance directs the evolutionary process? I don't see how that contradicts biology, or biochemistry.

Because it's possible to witness evolution in the laboratory. Unless, of course, God is paying attention and making sure we observe what appear to be chance mutations when we examine such things. That would of course imply that God wants us to believe in evolution rather than intelligent design.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Because it's possible to witness evolution in the laboratory. Unless, of course, God is paying attention and making sure we observe what appear to be chance mutations when we examine such things. That would of course imply that God wants us to believe in evolution rather than intelligent design.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you saying that when Jesus walked on water, an equal and opposite force was exerted on God?

Forces require masses to operate on. Suppose Christ could shunt mass away?

[Ben Kenobi]

You mean besides being able to claim that he rose from the dead?

Why would they believe this?

They didn't understand Christ when he told them that he had to die, and he would rise again.

They all ran away and hid, rather than witnessing his death on the cross. All their hopes were finished.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Forces require masses to operate on. Suppose Christ could shunt mass away?

Violates conservation of matter and energy, then.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why would they believe this?

Because it happens to lend them significant credibility, if true?

[Ben Kenobi]

You are asking them to die for a lie.

[Ben Kenobi]

Violates conservation of matter and energy, then.

True, but then you are getting into whether the system is closed or not.

[MORON]

fools

I therefore declare myself your god. The world is created in my sleep as I waved my hands. The sun, merely an mirror that reflects my glory. As your god, I demand mortals to start counting posts in OT.

I thereby prove that I'm god using the holy text that is my notebook, which is the word of god and thus infinitely true. Only those that doubt reality and live in delusion and evil could deny that fact.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You are asking them to die for a lie.

People have done that.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
True, but then you are getting into whether the system is closed or not.

The universe, in the sense of everything that exists, is quite obviously a closed system.