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The universe, in the sense of everything that exists, is quite obviously a closed system.
the only logical conclusion is that the universe is nothing!
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Given that the universe is created or whatever.....
the only logical conclusion is that the universe is nothing!
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They said he was right, but they didn't say they were wrong for how he was treated.Originally posted by Sava
That's nice to know the church is keeping up with things. Didn't they finally admit Galileo was right in 1996?
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Maybe you don't understand the concept of evolution, but the idea is that *fitness* to survive in the current environment is the selective process.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What about saying that God, rather than chance directs the evolutionary process? I don't see how that contradicts biology, or biochemistry.
I suppose you could say that "god" is controlling the mutations, but why bother? What's the point of doing that? For a religious person, isn't it far more impressive that he set up the universe that generated evolution?
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In fact, could not one say, as I have, that the brain's chemical changes are in response to other changes, rather than triggers? [/QUOTE]Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I think you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself. I don't think biochemistry requires all processes of the human mind to be summed up as changes in brain chemistry.
We know quite a bit of how the brain works on the small scale. It is basically a biocomputer that uses electrical signals combined with chemicals to process information. A working brain is a mind, it generates the mind, if you will, with the various senses providing it with data to process.
Care to elaborate on what you mean by this?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
In fact, could not one say, as I have, that the brain's chemical changes are in response to other changes, rather than triggers?
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As for the Bible I would note that many, many religions have holy texts, and there is no reason to believe the Bible over them (or even believe any of them). Many of the stories in the Bible (even the new testament) are told by only one source or they are told quite differently (even contradictory) by different sources *within* the Bible. Of course, the fact there are no outside sources to support the incrediable claims the Bible makes is another reason to not believe what it says. That's going about it rationally.
Believing the Bible is true is something that requires you to have faith in it and to not question the presumption of its truth with reason.
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The problem is that we not only have religious extremeists, but scientific ones as well.
There is nothing in either position that makes it impossible to combine the two, which is what MOST Americans do.
I believe in evolution, I also believe in God. It God is all powerful and all knowing then why the hell could he not create a system that includes evolution. It is simply a vehicle of creationism. All creationists do not follow the "poof there it is" model. The insistance from some here that all religious people follow the same code is bigotted. I find joy in discovering everything I can about the universe, science is simply reveling in God's wonders.
Conversly, sence knowledge is infinite, and the scientists have no proof that there is no God somewhere down the line of infinity, and in fact since it is infinite can very well never know that much, it is against their own code to categorically deny the existance of God.
How many scientists believe we can achieve faster than light space travel when there is absolutely no proof this is possible? How many scientists are equally attached to fantastic theories?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I still don't understand why people worship Yahweh, rather than moron the stupid poly OT poster.......
Afterall, I can write an book too.
.....maybe I should try BAM
YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT GOD IS YAHWEH OR WHATEVER, AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT CREATED ANYTHING. (OR NOTHING) YOU HAVE NO PROOF, NONE OF IT.
Yahweh is an lie created by the god that is called moron to deceive the foolish. Now you've heard the truth, repent to suffer eternality in mingapulo with banana as company.Comment
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Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last time that religion does this.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You are asking them to die for a lie.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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No, because that allows you to deny any agency on the world, and makes you a deist.Maybe you don't understand the concept of evolution, but the idea is that *fitness* to survive in the current environment is the selective process.
I suppose you could say that "god" is controlling the mutations, but why bother? What's the point of doing that? For a religious person, isn't it far more impressive that he set up the universe that generated evolution?
Yes, evolution responds to changes in the environment. Suppose God is responsible for these changes, and hence, guides the evolutionary process.
Sure, you can see micro-evolution at work in a lab, but that's a far cry from showing how one species becomes another.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I suppose you believe religious folks to be gullible, and not likely to think things through.Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last time that religion does this.
It makes much more sense to me that the apostles believed in the death and resurrection of Christ, only after they saw the concrete evidence in favour.
This is particularly true, if you believe human beings are motivated by a strong sense of self-preservation.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Is it?The universe, in the sense of everything that exists, is quite obviously a closed system.
How would we ever prove that conclusively?
Is this statement falsifiable?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Faith in something for which there is no evidence sounds gullible to me, BK.
Good point about FLT, Patroklos. However, generally a scientist who hopes to someday figure out FLT looks back at History and sees the concepts once thought outlandish that have come to pass, and thinks "well, why not FLT too?" If the scientist truely BELIEVES in FLT... yeah, there is a leap of faith involved. If he/she merely hopes for it, I dunno if it's the same thing.
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every sane person believes in many things
a consistant view of reality is impossible without certain assumptions (not to mention doing science is impossible without certain assumptions)
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That does not justify unnecessary beliefs, however.Originally posted by Jon Miller
every sane person believes in many things
a consistant view of reality is impossible without certain assumptions (not to mention doing science is impossible without certain assumptions)
Jon Miller
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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who is to say what is necessary?
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