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    To Bill Clinton: This is your fault. Really. No, I'm not talking about the heart surgery; with your diet, that was bound to happen. I'm talking about the fact that you spent eight years as a relatively popular president and your legacy was ...didddly squat. You did nothing to build the party, or to make sure that your personal popularity in the hard-to-win South extended beyond just you. You did nothing to build a party apparatus, and nothing to foster any leadership other than your own. You had your way with the party, then left and didn't look back, except to shine in the convention limelight before returning to chat up bottle blondes in the hospitality suite. You suck.

    To John Kerry: You are a dreary, uninspiring man, and most of the votes you got were actually just votes against Bush. But you know what? You - a Massachusetts liberal with no charisma - came within 200,000 votes of unseating a sitting president during a war. So don't be too hard on yourself.

    To John Edwards: Remind me - what, exactly, did you bring to the ticket?

    To Dean supporters: Here's five dollars; pop down to Starbucks and but yourself a latte and a clue. You think Dean would have been a better candidate than Kerry? You want to tell me which states that Kerry lost would have been won by a wealthy New England doctor with zero foreign policy experience? Christ-on-a-crutch, Gomer Pyle had more National Security credibility than Dean. Dean's inability to win even a single primary state, even after being pronounced inevitable by the media, should tell you a little something about how he would have fared in a general election. So just shut the f*ck up, will you?

    To Hilary Clinton: Please don't do it. It's only two days after the election, and the media has already annointed you the 2008 frontrunner. But let's get serious: you'll get creamed. People hate you, Hil, and you're not going to change that. Not me, particularly; I don't think you're any worse than most politicians, and a fair bit better than some. But outside the charmed circles of liberals with elite educations like you and me, you really are despised. So be a good senator from New York; be Attorney General if the Dems ever win. But don't run; the party can't afford it.

    To Bill Richardson: Start raising money, now. You're your party's last, best hope.

    To Senate Democrats: Not Harry Reid, okay? Nice guy, but he's the same kind of accomodationist moderate Daschle was. Pick somebody who can actually lead, and not just his colleagues but his party: Chris Dodd. Trust me on this.

    To my fellow Democrats, in the short term: Give up on the South. If I see one more of you pining for a "charismatic Southern moderate like Clinton," I'm gonna lose it. When is it going to sink in? There aren't any left. But there are popular Democratic governors in Arizona and Iowa, and popular Democratic senators in Iowa and Nevada. West, not South. Got it?

    To my fellow Democrats, in the long term: Here's a history lesson. The Federalists wandered in the wilderness for more than 50 years after the election of 1800 until they, catalyzed by crisis over slavery, finally transmogrified into the Republicans and became the majority party. The Democrats then wandered in the wilderness for 70 years until they, catalyzed by the Depression, became the majority party. The GOP thus wandered for another 50-60 years until they, catalyzed by the excesses of the 60s and 70s, became the majority party. So get ready for a long haul and, when the cataclysm comes, for God's sake be ready.
    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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    In defense of Clinton, in the first election, he had to keep a low profile, because of the damage the Republicans did to his reputation

    It's only recently that people have realized what a great President he was, this is seen easily because Bush is just so bad.

    And also he couldn't do any campaigning for Kerry because of his heart
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #3
      Edwards was a mistake.

      He's a lawyer who raises insurance rates and drives doctors out of state or business.

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      • #4
        Re: What I want to say to some Democrats

        Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
        To Bill Clinton: This is your fault. Really. No, I'm not talking about the heart surgery; with your diet, that was bound to happen. I'm talking about the fact that you spent eight years as a relatively popular president and your legacy was ...didddly squat. You did nothing to build the party, or to make sure that your personal popularity in the hard-to-win South extended beyond just you. You did nothing to build a party apparatus, and nothing to foster any leadership other than your own. You had your way with the party, then left and didn't look back, except to shine in the convention limelight before returning to chat up bottle blondes in the hospitality suite. You suck.

        To John Kerry: You are a dreary, uninspiring man, and most of the votes you got were actually just votes against Bush. But you know what? You - a Massachusetts liberal with no charisma - came within 200,000 votes of unseating a sitting president during a war. So don't be too hard on yourself.

        To John Edwards: Remind me - what, exactly, did you bring to the ticket?

        To Dean supporters: Here's five dollars; pop down to Starbucks and but yourself a latte and a clue. You think Dean would have been a better candidate than Kerry? You want to tell me which states that Kerry lost would have been won by a wealthy New England doctor with zero foreign policy experience? Christ-on-a-crutch, Gomer Pyle had more National Security credibility than Dean. Dean's inability to win even a single primary state, even after being pronounced inevitable by the media, should tell you a little something about how he would have fared in a general election. So just shut the f*ck up, will you?

        To Hilary Clinton: Please don't do it. It's only two days after the election, and the media has already annointed you the 2008 frontrunner. But let's get serious: you'll get creamed. People hate you, Hil, and you're not going to change that. Not me, particularly; I don't think you're any worse than most politicians, and a fair bit better than some. But outside the charmed circles of liberals with elite educations like you and me, you really are despised. So be a good senator from New York; be Attorney General if the Dems ever win. But don't run; the party can't afford it.

        To Bill Richardson: Start raising money, now. You're your party's last, best hope.

        To Senate Democrats: Not Harry Reid, okay? Nice guy, but he's the same kind of accomodationist moderate Daschle was. Pick somebody who can actually lead, and not just his colleagues but his party: Chris Dodd. Trust me on this.

        To my fellow Democrats, in the short term: Give up on the South. If I see one more of you pining for a "charismatic Southern moderate like Clinton," I'm gonna lose it. When is it going to sink in? There aren't any left. But there are popular Democratic governors in Arizona and Iowa, and popular Democratic senators in Iowa and Nevada. West, not South. Got it?

        To my fellow Democrats, in the long term: Here's a history lesson. The Federalists wandered in the wilderness for more than 50 years after the election of 1800 until they, catalyzed by crisis over slavery, finally transmogrified into the Republicans and became the majority party. The Democrats then wandered in the wilderness for 70 years until they, catalyzed by the Depression, became the majority party. The GOP thus wandered for another 50-60 years until they, catalyzed by the excesses of the 60s and 70s, became the majority party. So get ready for a long haul and, when the cataclysm comes, for God's sake be ready.
        the democratic governor in Arizona is a woman.

        not that I have anything against women. It's just they will never be elected president. And any politician in Nevada cannot run for president. We have legalized prostitution and gamblind in our state.

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        • #5
          Re: What I want to say to some Democrats

          Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


          To my fellow Democrats, in the long term: Here's a history lesson. The Federalists wandered in the wilderness for more than 50 years after the election of 1800 until they, catalyzed by crisis over slavery, finally transmogrified into the Republicans and became the majority party. The Democrats then wandered in the wilderness for 70 years until they, catalyzed by the Depression, became the majority party. The GOP thus wandered for another 50-60 years until they, catalyzed by the excesses of the 60s and 70s, became the majority party. So get ready for a long haul and, when the cataclysm comes, for God's sake be ready.
          Maybe it's time for a NEW Progressive Party
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • #6
            I think Bill Richardson would be a splendid candidate. I'm not sure how well he would wear on the campaign trail, but it's worth a shot.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              Give up the south? How the hell do you win if you've already given the other guy 1/3 of the electoral votes? You're preaching defeatism.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS
                I think Bill Richardson would be a splendid candidate. I'm not sure how well he would wear on the campaign trail, but it's worth a shot.
                he's fat.

                Trust me on this one. People expect their candidates to be reasonably fit.

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                • #9
                  We need a nice centrist democrat to run in 2008 and it would be best if he's a senator or governor of a southern state. The problem with senators is they have long voting records which the other guy can twist around so governors are a better choice.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dissident
                    he's fat.

                    Trust me on this one. People expect their candidates to be reasonably fit.
                    Sad but true. Has anyone noticed that taft was the last fat president and with the rise of modern media how do you win on tv and in print if your candidate looks like he's going to keel over any minute while the other guy looks young and fit?
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                    • #11
                      Who's the Iowa governor?

                      By the way, I'm surprised the Dems haven't been able to generate nationwide politicians from the upper Midwest base. (And no, Gephardt isn't a nationwide politician.)
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        Teh TAFT!

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                        • #13
                          Who's the Iowa governor?


                          Vilsack.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                          • #14
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                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #15
                              Re: What I want to say to some Democrats

                              Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
                              To Bill Clinton: This is your fault. Really. No, I'm not talking about the heart surgery; with your diet, that was bound to happen. I'm talking about the fact that you spent eight years as a relatively popular president and your legacy was ...didddly squat. You did nothing to build the party, or to make sure that your personal popularity in the hard-to-win South extended beyond just you. You did nothing to build a party apparatus, and nothing to foster any leadership other than your own. You had your way with the party, then left and didn't look back, except to shine in the convention limelight before returning to chat up bottle blondes in the hospitality suite. You suck.
                              Clinton took the far left wing out of the DNC and put in a bunch of centrists. Once Clinton was gone the liberals took back over and alienated most of the voters. You just can't win in the red states if you've got Nacy Pelosi cand her friends alling the shots. Clinton warned us and showed us the way but we didn't listen. Who's fault is that?
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