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Forget Centrism, centrism will just let the Republicans continue to define the boundaries of political discussion. What we need a candidate with a fiery progressive spirit that can relate to the common man. We need a Robert LaFollette style candidate.
Let's face it, if voters want moral values, moral values are on our side. Let's bring back progressives that talk about the good old golden rule, and new testament style values. Let's point out who the bad guys are.
If they want to talk about gay marriage, let's tell them that we don't need no steenking federal goverment in the marriage business.
So in short, we need to redefine the rhetoric to work our way, which shouldn't be as tough as it seems, and we need some fiery, fighting progressives who won't be complacent puppy dogs like the majority of the Democratic party.
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McCain batted away the idea as not serious, but Kerry, after he wrapped up the nomination in March, went back after McCain a half-dozen more times. "To show just how sincere he was, he made an outlandish offer," Newsweek's Thomas reports. "If McCain said yes he would expand the role of vice president to include secretary of Defense and the overall control of foreign policy. McCain exclaimed, 'You're out of your mind. I don't even know if it's constitutional, and it certainly wouldn't sell.'" Kerry was thwarted and furious. "Why the f--- didn't he take it? After what the Bush people did to him...'"
Originally posted by monkspider
I agree about Hillary, she is a no-go for the Dems.
She's the kiss of death in the red states and in a few of the blue ones. I suspect Jeb Bush will be running in 2008 and he'll have the benifit of all of his brother's and his father's political flunkies plus he'll be backed by wads of cash the PACs will throw at him. He's going to be going after the blue states so we'd better be going after the red ones or we lose... again.
Diss: In my opinion McCain is the most honest man in the Senate today. He calls it how it is and he doesn't cow tow to the special interests.
His push for campaign finance reform was one of the best pieces of legislation in the last 25 years and he did it dispite Bush & the Republicans trying to tar and feather him.
Okay, I still don't believe y'all about Hillary but I'm willing to concede that if every single opinion other than mine on here says she's a bad choice, then maybe she isn't the best choice.
Are there any other prominent women Democrats? I would like to see a woman elected to President. She'd show the world we aren't all crazy reactionary nuts, be able to make meaningful decisions about abortion, and it's just odd that the largest majority in our nation (women) aren't represented at all in the highest office.
Or an African American. I just want to break the "rich white guy" trend, really...they've only been getting richer and whiter as time goes on...
Yes, screw the south just like the republicans have given up on the Northeast and the West coast. The West is the fastets growing part of the country- changing fast, specially places like Nevada and the Mountain states- if Kerry had won Ohio by itself, that would have been enough, but also places like NM, Arizona, Colorado? There is a chance there, to make the southwest dem. The only southern state worth even trying for is Florida. Screw the rest.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Vilsack would at least give us a red state. A Floridian would, Georgian, or similiar large southern state (other then Texas) would be more desirable.
But can you name a Floridian, Georgian, Texan, etc who could plausibly capture the Dem nomination in 4 years?
That's the problem. I'm not saying give up on the South forever, but it shouldn't be a near-term goal.
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Originally posted by monkspider
Let's face it, if voters want moral values, moral values are on our side. Let's bring back progressives that talk about the good old golden rule, and new testament style values. Let's point out who the bad guys are.
If they want to talk about gay marriage, let's tell them that we don't need no steenking federal goverment in the marriage business.
Specifically, what arguments are you saying we should use? Carter used several old testiment values arguments in the 1976 Presidential debate and they seemed to go over well.
Originally posted by mrmitchell
Okay, I still don't believe y'all about Hillary but I'm willing to concede that if every single opinion other than mine on here says she's a bad choice, then maybe she isn't the best choice.
Are there any other prominent women Democrats? I would like to see a woman elected to President. She'd show the world we aren't all crazy reactionary nuts, be able to make meaningful decisions about abortion, and it's just odd that the largest majority in our nation (women) aren't represented at all in the highest office.
Or an African American. I just want to break the "rich white guy" trend, really...they've only been getting richer and whiter as time goes on...
Democrats already got 88% of the black vote and 65% of the women vote so we have little to gain there. We are seriously behind in the white male vote though. If a woman or a black gets on a ticket it will be a Republican ticket because they're doing poorly in both of those areas.
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
So Firefly, you think that someone can conceivably be worse than Bush in foreign policy?
No, I don't. But I think someone can look less credible on foreign policy, and I think the ex-governor of a teeny-weeny state best known for Cherry Garcia Ice Cream and re-electing Congress's only socialist is just such a person.
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
But can you name a Floridian, Georgian, Texan, etc who could plausibly capture the Dem nomination in 4 years?
That's the problem. I'm not saying give up on the South forever, but it shouldn't be a near-term goal.
Where can I find a list of current and recent governors? There simply must be a current Democratic governor in the south. He's bound to be a dixcrat or a blue dog which is exactly what we're looking for.
I liked it when McCain dogged out Rumsfeld over Iraq
Rumsfeld was like a fish out of water
He wasn't used to getting OWN3D like that
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Where can I find a list of current and recent governors? There simply must be a current Democratic governor in the south. He's bound to be a dixcrat or a blue dog which is exactly what we're looking for.
the problem is it also needs to be someone with great charisma.
Because even though no one heard of Bill Clinton in 1992 including myself, he had the charisma to pull it off.
Marion Berry (AR), Sanford Bishop (GA), Brad Carson (OK), Bud Cramer (AL), Lincoln Davis (TN), Harold Ford Jr. (TN), Chris John (LA), Ken Lucas (KY), Mike Ross (AR), Max Sandlin (TX), David Scott (GA), Charlie Stenholm (TX), John Tanner (TN), Gene Taylor (MS), and Jim Turner (TX) are a few names to start with.
That bunch are all deficit hawks who can't be tarred with the same old "tax and spend liberal" tag and they're southerner. I'd prefer a governor but this is a start. What we want is a social progressive who knows how to balance the budget. I'll look up southern Democratic governors and get back to you with a list of possibilities. The possibilities do exist we just have to look for them.
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. But other than that, he's been good.
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