Liberals need to stop sneering at people

[Agathon]

But this painting of all people who voted for Bush as ignorant and brain washed is really stupid. And this whole Dems are smarter than Repubs attitude is just silly...

Who said they were necessarily ignorant? I pointed out that political conservatism tends to be psychologically motivated, and that the people who endorse it tend to suffer from mild mental impairment in dealing with complexity and change. That doesn't mean they don't know stuff, it just means that their manner of dealing with it is subnormal.

[JohnT]

But what does it say about your philosophy given as it is to being held by people with anger problems, depression, and uncontrolled emotions, especially hatred?

[Agathon]

Zkribbler, that is not what Agathon said. He said "equality" in the sense that socialism defines equality: economic equality.

Equality is a broad concept.

Liberals are against the idea of inequality of persons, but tolerant of specific inequalities insofar as they raise the welfare of the worst off. That is the core idea of liberal justice - it is grounded in the equality of persons.

Communists are more radical, they seek an abolition of such inequalities on the grounds that liberalism is unstable and ends up slipping back into a hierarchical society, which in turn creates class conflict. Strict liberals believe that you can have an unequal society without class conflict.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Agathon


Who said they were necessarily ignorant? I pointed out that political conservatism tends to be psychologically motivated, and that the people who endorse it tend to suffer from mild mental impairment in dealing with complexity and change. That doesn't mean they don't know stuff, it just means that their manner of dealing with it is subnormal.

One would think, Agathon, that women would largely be conservative as they emotionally require a stable and secure society. But a majority of women support the Democrats. Seems counterintuitive.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by JohnT
But what does it say about your philosophy given as it is to being held by people with anger problems, depression, and uncontrolled emotions, especially hatred?

That applies to both sides of the fence, my friend. The hatred the right had for Clinton was completely irrational, and it has since been expanded to include almost everyone on the left side of the right.

[Agathon]

But what does it say about your philosophy given as it is to being held by people with anger problems, depression, and uncontrolled emotions, especially hatred?

If you don't get angry and depressed about racism, homophobia and injustice there is something wrong with you.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Agathon
Who said they were necessarily ignorant?

You have... many times

And to imply that being conservative is subnormal is an even worse generalization. It shows a total lack of knowledge and is just a knee jerk reaction to people who have different opinions than you do

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
One would think, Agathon, that women would largely be conservative as they emotionally require a stable and secure society. But a majority of women support the Democrats. Seems counterintuitive.

Because the GOP supports the individual at the expense of the community, and the Dems the opposite. Since women are mothers, they tend to be more community oriented, since that is where their children will be. The gender gap seemed to disappear this election because of the whole terrorism issue. Women don't want their children to be killed, so they voted for Bush for the same reasons they normally vote Dem, to promote the community.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That applies to both sides of the fence, my friend. The hatred the right had for Clinton was completely irrational, and it has since been expanded to include almost everyone on the left side of the right.

... read the board. You will note that the Left here on Apolyton tends to anger and hatred... moderation is not in your vocabulary, rather, you think that politics and ideology is the end-all, be-all of a persons worth.



Anyway, don't you remember the "are you an optimist or a pessimist" thread whereupon the Lefties overwhelmingly voted "pessimist" and the righties overwhelmingly voted "optimist"?

[Ming]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because the GOP supports the individual at the expense of the community, and the Dems the opposite. Since women are mothers, they tend to be more community oriented, since that is where their children will be. The gender gap seemed to disappear this election because of the whole terrorism issue. Women don't want their children to be killed, so they voted for Bush for the same reasons they normally vote Dem, to promote the community.

Talk about broad sweaping generalizations...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Agathon


Equality is a broad concept.

Liberals are against the idea of inequality of persons, but tolerant of specific inequalities insofar as they raise the welfare of the worst off. That is the core idea of liberal justice - it is grounded in the equality of persons.

I call this a lot of bull. Liberals are enormously intollerant of economic inequality and show this in almost everything they say or do. It is Republicans who advocate equal opportunity, quality education for all, equality before the law, etc. It is Democrats who are for demonizing the so-called rich, arguing class warfare endlessly, advocating steep progressive taxation and confiscatory estate taxes, and, if they could do it, total regulation of business for the "welfare" of the people (as proposed by Dean).

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by JohnT
... read the board. You will note that the Left here on Apolyton tends to anger and hatred...

I notice the same thing about the right.

Anyway, don't you remember the "are you an optimist or a pessimist" thread whereupon the Lefties overwhelmingly voted "pessimist" and the righties overwhelmingly voted "optimist"?

Never saw it. Interestingly, it seems to match something I'd been thinking about recently.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ming
Talk about broad sweaping generalizations...

Hence the use of terms like, "tend." Obviously it's not true in every case, but the gender gap and the reason for its existence have been well known for decades.

[Ming]

JohnT is correct... anybody that is smart can look at these forums and see that it is the "liberals" who are resorting to insults/hate... The you disagree with me so you are ignorant attitude is coming more from the "open minded" liberals than the conservatives...

[JohnT]

Che, che...

Don't you notice that 96% of all "righties" on this board are mostly silent on the political issues? Oh, you have your Ned's and Fez's, loud as they can be, but me, Ming, Rah, DanS, Adam Smith...etc. tend to stay out of the ideology threads, where people do nothing but compare Holy Writ to Holy Writ.

We've got better things to do, you see.