Liberals need to stop sneering at people

[Ned]

I think the Republican vote also was a strong reaction to the extreme Bush bashing that has be going on for some time now. I heard of a poll that said that people who saw Farenheit 9/11 were 24% more likely to vote for Bush as a result. Only 6% were more likely to vote for Kerry.

[GePap]

Originally posted by pchang
The raw numbers are on any news site. They just haven't been interpreted as such for you.

The funny bit is that Brook's colum speaks against the OP- if the choice was decided due to policy considerations, then it was NOT because people felt "spoken down to" by the nasty liberals (which, even as Brooks says the value issue was nonsense he returns to this point himself), but becuase the public bought the Bush explination of his Iraq and Terrorism policies.

After all, the OP and this whole thread is based on the same interpretation that Brooks says the liberals had and says is wrong.

[Drake Tungsten]

Most of the sneering by liberals has happened after the election. Before the election, they at least pretended that they respected all of us rubes in the red states...

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


The funny bit is that Brook's colum speaks against the OP- if the choice was decided due to policy considerations, then it was NOT because people felt "spoken down to" by the nasty liberals (which, even as Brooks says the value issue was nonsense he returns to this point himself), but becuase the public bought the Bush explination of his Iraq and Terrorism policies.

After all, the OP and this whole thread is based on the same interpretation that Brooks says the liberals had and says is wrong.

GePap, as I said, a lot of the Republican vote was a reaction to the extreme Bush bashing. Bush bashing is also bashing people who voted for or who supported Bush in one way or another.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Most of the sneering by liberals has happened after the election. Before the election, they at least pretended that they respected all of us rubes in the red states...

No they didn't.

[GePap]

Good for you- that does not address the statement that this whole thread and the OP is based on the notion that Bush won on values-which Brooks says is wrong (but then alludes to again in it)

[pchang]

Numbers can only point out trends. Explanations as to why those trends are occurring are open to spinning.

[Ned]

There is no doubt whatsoever that the turnout in this election was in large part motivate by anger.

[GePap]

You are right- so much anti-Kerry anger out there, so, so much.

[GePap]

Originally posted by pchang
Numbers can only point out trends. Explanations as to why those trends are occurring are open to spinning.

I am just pointing out to PV the implications of the Brooks column he posted- it does not say I agree with Brooks.

For example, the imporved Bush outcome in the blue states could have been due ot better approval, as Brooks says, or due to decreased turnout amongst Kerry backers in states that they saw as safe. Given our election method here in this country, the question is what occured in the few states that are competative in this all or nothing system.

[Ned]

GePap, some.

But the larger anger was at liberals in general for Florida 2000 and Bush bashing which was far, far broader that Kerry.

How many votes did Rathergate get Bush? A lot.

[GePap]

Anyone who even uses the word 'Rathergate' was a Bush backer from the start.

[Ned]

GePap, are you dense? I simply use that term to point out what Dan Rather and crew tried to do: smear Bush with false documents. People who supported Bush were not fooled. That is why they turned out in record numbers. They were angry at the left for its tactics. If the left had a message that was worthy of debate, it was lost in the heat of its Bush bashing which only caused a lot of anger in the ranks of conservatives.

Bush bashing was largely orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe, who is nothing but a thug. I think he, more than anyone else, is responsible for the Dems defeat this year.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Most of the sneering by liberals has happened after the election. Before the election, they at least pretended that they respected all of us rubes in the red states...

I've asked it of Theben, I'll ask it of you: what board are you reading to say such a thing?

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't take this board to be an accurate representation of the populace at large, John. The spewing of bile has indeed been thick here for years, but it was only after the election that I saw widespread condemnation of over half of the citizens of the United States appear in the MSM. You noticed it occasionally before, but it's really gone into overdrive since Bush was re-elected.