Cheney Outrage...Or

[DanS]

Poll Shows Disapproval of Cheney Daughter Reference

By Richard Morin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 15, 2004; 5:00 PM

An overwhelming majority of voters believe it was wrong for Democratic nominee John F. Kerry to have mentioned in Wednesday's presidential debate that Vice President Cheney's daughter was a lesbian, according to the latest Washington Post tracking survey.

Nearly two in three likely voters -- 64 percent -- said Kerry's comment was "inappropriate," including more than four in 10 of his own supporters and half of all swing voters. A third -- 33 percent -- thought the remark was appropriate.

Kerry mentioned that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian in response to a question from moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News asking the candidates if they believed "homosexuality is a choice?"

After President Bush had answered that he "did not know," Kerry began by saying, " . . . If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

After the debate, Lynne Cheney attacked Kerry for raising the issue of her daughter's sexuality during the debate. Both Cheneys have been open about their daughter's sexual orientation, which had been briefly mentioned by Sen. John Edwards and Cheney in the vice presidential debate the previous week.

The latest Post tracking poll continues to show the race deadlocked, with each candidate receiving 48 percent of the vote. Independent Ralph Nader continues to barely register nationally and gets 1 percent of the hypothetical vote.

But the survey also suggests that Kerry continues to claim a large lead in key battleground states. In these 13 states, Kerry held a 53 percent to 43 percent advantage among likely voters.

A total of 1,555 registered voters were interviewed Tuesday through Thursday nights, including 1,203 likely voters. Margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for the overall results and plus or minus six percentage points for results from the battleground states and for the question asking views on Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, which was asked only of those interviewed Thursday night.

[DRoseDARs]

To which I add:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KERRY?SITE=SCCOL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Kerry Addresses Remark on Cheney Daughter


MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Friday that his reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter being a lesbian was meant as a "constructive comment."

Kerry defended himself from objections raised by Cheney and his wife, Lynne, that he would discuss their daughter's sexuality.

"It was meant constructively in terms of their love and affection for a person who is who she is," Kerry said in an interview taped for broadcast Friday night on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now." "And it was entirely as an example of how people come together around these choices, entirely constructively and respectfully."

Kerry raised Mary Cheney's sexuality during the final presidential debate Wednesday night. While President Bush said he didn't know if sexuality is a choice, Kerry used Mary Cheney as an example to suggest that homosexuality is formed at birth.

By a 2-1 margin, likely voters found Kerry's comment inappropriate, according to an ABC News poll out Friday. Bush also thought it was inappropriate, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"I cannot think of a single instance where a presidential candidate has talked about his opponent's child in such a way," McClellan told reporters on Air Force One.

The vice president and his wife accused Kerry of using their daughter for political gain. Kerry pointed out that the Cheneys also have talked about their daughter being a lesbian in public.

"They've embraced her and they love her," Kerry said. "And I think - I have great respect for them for that. And it seems to me that that's the point I was making."

Kerry also was asked during the CNN interview to name three mistakes he's made. Bush was asked that question during the second debate, and Kerry has criticized him for not giving a complete answer.

Kerry also gave a vague answer. "Gosh, I think I made a mistake in terms of the breadth of some of the programs that I have talked about in the primaries because the deficit was larger than we anticipated and we obviously couldn't afford," he said.

He said he's never regretted voting for the resolution to go to war in Iraq.

Kerry also said he's not had any conversation with independent candidate Ralph Nader since their meeting on May 19, and he's not aware of anyone on his staff who is talking to him, either.

And Kerry said that he doesn't think it's excessive that men going through airport security have to unbutton their pants or that women must have a full pat-down of their upper body.

"That's the price we have to pay in order to be safe," Kerry said. He added that what really bothers him is that the cargo hold is not being fully X-rayed while passengers are going through such screening.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by MrFun
Let's look at a much more revealing statement made by a politician . . . . . . .


six months after 9/11 Bush said at a press conference that he was not concerned about Osama Bin Ladin. So much for his purported war against terrorism.

You can't even spell his name right

Listen, picasso, OBL ain't the focus of the war on terror, he is one old guy who is probably dead. In case you didn't notice, we are fighting a terrorist radical ideology, held by ideologues, who seek to destroy us, not just one old man in a cave who is dead, check your facts.

Pekka from your last post I take it you agree with me that Kerry was wrong, well, chalk one up for the GOOD GUYS

[DanS]

"It was meant constructively in terms of their love and affection for a person who is who she is," Kerry said in an interview taped for broadcast Friday night on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now." "And it was entirely as an example of how people come together around these choices, entirely constructively and respectfully."

That's a bold lie. It was a calculated low blow. He couldn't quite pull it off like Edwards did, though.

[chequita guevara]

Oh BS.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


You can't even spell his name right

You dolt. Arabic does not translate directly into English nor the other way. There is no "proper" spelling, only widely recognized and accepted spelling.

[JohnT]

Re: Cheney Outrage...Or

Originally posted by Berzerker
The elephant in the living room?

Why are the Cheney's outraged about the mention of their daughter in the debate? Lynne says it was a dirty political trick... What was gained? Oh yeah, some Republicans might not vote for Bush because of Cheney's lesbian daughter? Save some of that outrage for them... That's an admission the Cheney's cater to people just a couple steps from the Taliban...

Cheap trick. Bush should've countered with something along the lines of

"The rules of common decency, from the playground to political debates to even the Mob is to keep the family out of it. However, since my opponent seems unable to follow a rule that even a 7 year-old understands instinctively, let me rebut in kind: I wonder when his wife is going to reopen all the processing plants she's shuttered over the past 20+ years, moving those jobs back to America?"

Of course, we are talking about Bush here. Such quick-wittedness is not his forte.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Friday that his reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter being a lesbian was meant as a "constructive comment."

Kerry defended himself from objections raised by Cheney and his wife, Lynne, that he would discuss their daughter's sexuality.

"It was meant constructively in terms of their love and affection for a person who is who she is," Kerry said in an interview taped for broadcast Friday night on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now." "And it was entirely as an example of how people come together around these choices, entirely constructively and respectfully."

Sorry I'm pulling the transcript of what Kerry said and I don't see the constructive love and family inference spin Kerry is trying to impart.

Not buying it.

Ohhhh and he sold Mary Beth Cahill down the river for saying Mary Cheney was "fair game". Something like he wouldn't describe Mary Cheney in that fashion and he didn't hear her remarks. In other words to describe his attempt to invoke Mary Cheney as extemporaneous and something other than scripted for effect.

KERRY: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as.

I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it.

And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them.

I think we have to respect that.

The president and I share the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe that. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

But I also believe that because we are the United States of America, we're a country with a great, unbelievable Constitution, with rights that we afford people, that you can't discriminate in the workplace. You can't discriminate in the rights that you afford people.

You can't disallow someone the right to visit their partner in a hospital. You have to allow people to transfer property, which is why I'm for partnership rights and so forth.

Now, with respect to DOMA and the marriage laws, the states have always been able to manage those laws. And they're proving today, every state, that they can manage them adequately.

[Wiglaf]

You dolt. Arabic does not translate directly into English nor the other way. There is no "proper" spelling, only widely recognized and accepted spelling.

I agree. Let's all call him Osuma Bahin' Laydin. I mean Christ.

You know, Greek doesn't always translate directly into Latin, which doesn't directly translate into German/French/English/etc. Time to put your head back in the books son.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


I agree. Let's all call him Osuma Bahin' Laydin. I mean Christ.

You know, Greek doesn't always translate directly into Latin, which doesn't directly translate into German/French/English/etc. Time to put your head back in the books son.

And time to pull your head out of your ass ... ass.

[Whaleboy]

Yay! Wigga!!

[Wiglaf]

And time to pull your head out of your ass ... ass.

It's spelled arse where I come from. Nananana

Logic and a liberal arts degree. That and a buck fifty will buy you a cup of coffee.

[Ted Striker]

I am voting for Kerry but I do think it was tasteless to mention Cheney's daughter like that.

Though, mad props for pissing Chenery off.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Cheney Outrage...Or

Originally posted by JohnT
Of course, we are talking about Bush here. Such quick-wittedness is not his forte.

Told you. Anyone here would pwn Bush or Kerry in a debate.

[JohnT]

Throw out the word "pwned" in a debate with Bush and he'll likely just stand there for three minutes, blinking madly.

I'd pay to see that. Not much, but still... I'd pay.