Cheney Outrage...Or

[Berzerker]

The elephant in the living room?

Why are the Cheney's outraged about the mention of their daughter in the debate? Lynne says it was a dirty political trick... What was gained? Oh yeah, some Republicans might not vote for Bush because of Cheney's lesbian daughter? Save some of that outrage for them... That's an admission the Cheney's cater to people just a couple steps from the Taliban...

But she is right, it was a dirty trick... I doubt it was a coincidence both Kerry and Edwards would emphasise the Cheney family and I was surprised to see Kerry do it after Edwards. How do Democrats feel about Kerry and Edwards pulling a George Bush on John McCain? For those who don't know, the Bush campaign spread rumors during the S Carolina primary that McCain had a black daughter. He and his wife adopted a kid from Bangladesh. Now it looks like the Dems have done the same thing to Cheney and Bush - poetic justice or sleazy politicians?

[alva]

Though I don't like these kind of dirty politics, there are two major differences IMO.

- AFAIK McCain's daughter was still a kid, while - I assume - Cheney's daughter is an adult.

- The MaCain one was a well fabricated ( Rove K.^tm) whisper campaign, while this isn't.

[MikeH]

Yes, it's outrageous that people wouldn't vote for Bush because Cheney's daughter is a lesbian.

[Boris Godunov]

I find the Cheney's "outrage" amazingly hypocritical and just a tad phoney. Could it be political posturing? Maybe!

During the GOP convention, Republican senate candidate Alan Keyes explicitely called Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" in an interview because she was gay. Did Lynne Cheney step up and defend her daughter with her outrage? No, not a peep. The only thing you got from the Cheney's was a sister saying she wouldn't comment on the issue.

Now, Kerry says positive things about Mary Cheney, and it's outrageous? Why, because it highlights the hypocrisy of Cheney's tacit approval for Bush's anti-gay pandering? That seems to be the case.

As for Mary Cheney, she's an adult who is openly gay, openly activist for gay causes and openly activist for the GOP. So I don't see where any "outrage" can be had by envoking her name in a positive context for gay rights. If it also happens to piss off the bigot wing of the Republican Party, all the better.

[rah]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Could it be political posturing? Maybe!

Maybe, Maybe
YA THINK,

You take what you're given. So when somebody lays up the softball, you hit it. I wasn't outraged about them bringing it up, but I did think it was a bit tacky. Especially using it twice. So they ought to take a bit of S**T.

[Kassiopeia]

Is there nothing else to tackle in Kerry's performance in the debate but that one remark? Is this just a smoke screen to distract people from Bush's OBL gaffe? Makes you go hmmm.

[Gangerolf]

Yeah it's crazy

BTW, gotta love some of the pics from georgewbush.com

[Bosh]

Originally posted by rah



Maybe, Maybe
YA THINK,

You take what you're given. So when somebody lays up the softball, you hit it. I wasn't outraged about them bringing it up, but I did think it was a bit tacky. Especially using it twice. So they ought to take a bit of S**T.

Yeah definately agree, the lesbian reference came waaaay out of left-field in the debate and I don't know what Kerry was trying to do with it. But the Republican outrage over this is just surreal, after all unless you think that there is something horribly wrong with being a lesbian why does it make any sense for complain about someone calling someone a lesbian???

[SpencerH]

There was a comment made by the pundits (I dont remember which ones) that there was a big negative reaction by the undecided voters (being monitored during the debate) when Kerry made this remark.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by rah



Maybe, Maybe
YA THINK,

You take what you're given. So when somebody lays up the softball, you hit it. I wasn't outraged about them bringing it up, but I did think it was a bit tacky. Especially using it twice. So they ought to take a bit of S**T.

Agreed. What I find disturbing is not so much the facts of the point but moreso the inclusion of children into the debate. It has been a long standing unwritten rule that the CANDIDATES THEMSELVES do not dare to presume to bring opponents children into the political debate. To do so violates the above the fray statesman like image candidates try to portray. While the Rovian McCain whisper campaign was putrid it did not directly implicate Bush as the espouser of the dirty trick. Hence the reason this gives the appearance of greater tackiness as it was comitted by both Edwards & Kerry.

The real issue to me tho' as to whether any offense should be taken is not the outrage of mom and dad Cheney but whether Mary Cheney felt the attention drawn to her was unwelcome as she is an adult. If so then, she being the real victim of this lack of tact has a real point to slam Kerry & Edwards.

[Ned]

I saw the tape of Lynne Cheney's reaction to what Kerry did. I thought that she was genuinely upset. Very upset.

Kerry out to simply apologize to the Cheney's and to Mary to the extent the remark was tactless and caused offense.

[axi]

Is it possible that Mary Cheney became lesbian because of penis envy? She is the daughter of the country's greatest Dick, after all....

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by axi
Is it possible that Mary Cheney became lesbian because of penis envy? She is the daughter of the country's greatest Dick, after all....

Talking from experience?

[Jon Miller]

I thought she was a lesbian because her mother was one

JM

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I find the Cheney's "outrage" amazingly hypocritical and just a tad phoney. Could it be political posturing? Maybe!

During the GOP convention, Republican senate candidate Alan Keyes explicitely called Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" in an interview because she was gay. Did Lynne Cheney step up and defend her daughter with her outrage? No, not a peep. The only thing you got from the Cheney's was a sister saying she wouldn't comment on the issue.

Now, Kerry says positive things about Mary Cheney, and it's outrageous? Why, because it highlights the hypocrisy of Cheney's tacit approval for Bush's anti-gay pandering? That seems to be the case.

As for Mary Cheney, she's an adult who is openly gay, openly activist for gay causes and openly activist for the GOP. So I don't see where any "outrage" can be had by envoking her name in a positive context for gay rights. If it also happens to piss off the bigot wing of the Republican Party, all the better.

I think you pretty much said what I was going to say.