Yankees: $200 Million doesn't buy you a Soul

[Arrian]

You hate Clemens that much? Enough to damn the whole team, just 'cause he's on it? Wow. What did Clemens ever do to the Mets? Oh, right, now I remember...

He really is a nutcase.

-Arrian

[Apocalypse]

Clemens is a great guy for baseball. Heck, he spent pretty much the entire all star break meeting fans and signing autographs and usually got only 4 hours of sleep at most. And he isn't getting paid that much either just because he wants to be in his home town and give the team a chance to do better than they have ever done, which he has accomplished. Clemens isn't in it for the money, he's in it for the game and the fans.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Arrian
You hate Clemens that much? Enough to damn the whole team, just 'cause he's on it? Wow. What did Clemens ever do to the Mets? Oh, right, now I remember...

He really is a nutcase.

-Arrian

Yep... Clemens is a *****, always was a *****, always will be a *****. I know plenty of Yankee fans who were glad when Clemens left because they didn't like him either (well there were some that though because he was a Red Sox, he couldn't really be a Yankee or some nonsense like that). He's a horrible person and I damn any team that has him on their roster, whether it be Boston in the 80s, Toronto in the 90s, the Yankees in the 90s or Houston now.

[Arrian]

I was anti-Clemens at first (especially because he replaced David Wells, and pitched poorly in '99). I was just shocked by the whole Piazza thing. I guess I sorta gave him a pass when he started pitching well WITHOUT throwing balls or bats at people's heads. And the whole "he's still good at XYZ years old, wow!" thing plays into it. What he's doing is pretty amazing, even if he is crazy. I dunno about "horrible person." I could see that for, say, Ty Cobb. But Roger? "Jerk" is probably appropriate. "Nutcase" as well. But I dunno if I'd go so far as to say he's a horrible person.

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, I'd compare Clemens with Cobb. Sounds like a good analogy to me .

[Arrian]

I think you lack perspective on this matter. That's like a teh Bush is like teh Hitler OMG!!! comparison.

Or perhaps now I'm delving into hyperbole. What can I say? I'm jittery.

Lowe vs. Brown. Fugly for both teams, really. Although at least Lowe pitched well his last time out, whereas Brown didn't.

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, I don't think so (on perspective). I consider head-hunters to be some of the worst sort of people. The batter is defenseless and if you purposely throw a fastball at the batter's head (come on, Clemens has such great control and a ball gets away from him towards the batter's head every once in a while? Doesn't pass the smell test) then you are a horrible person.

This is also why I dislike Pedro Martinez so much. Yeah good pitcher, and yeah nice inside pitching, but he head hunts as well.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by OldWarrior_42
Imran, it is all about the fans and the 2 cities. Being from the area, you should know... Boston hates New Yorkers and vice versa.

That's not true at all. Its only during Baseball season, and only really the hardcore ones at that (probably about 5% each). The rest on both sides really aren't as fanatical as you try to make them out to be. Personally, I NY; the only thing I don't are the Yankees.

I have the utmost respect for the Red Sox. They have shown heart and a never say die attitude. But it is the fans of the Red Sox that I dislike. And I admit... I just want them to suffer due to their actions and whiny complaints.

First, who the hell are you to say whether or not a fan of any particular team should be as gung ho as they are. Second, as I said, the vast vast majority of Sox fans only complain when something like Grady Little or Bill Buckner happens. It comes with a history of heartache. We're passionate, of course, but any team whos fans aren't passionate have no purpose playing.

Go to Philadelphia. If you want fans to dislike, that's who you should focus on. They installed a frickin' jail in the Vet, for cripes sake.

Remember... I am also a Mets fan... and I don't hate Cubs fans like I do Red Sox fans. You don't see Chicagoans giving the finger to Mets players when they are out on the town trying to enjoy an evening meal.

Like I said, vast majority don't. And its the same in NYC. I have gotten the middle finger or been shouted at on four (FOUR!) seperate occasions, and I've only been to New York five times. We have a ton of Yankees fans at my college, and the only time I've witnessed any of them being catcalled is while we're all watching the game in the dining hall (and they do the same thing!). My two best friends here are Yankees fans, and the only time we've gone out and been yelled at was by a Yankees fan.

Acceptable ragging at the ballpark is one thing, getting into personal time is another.

Happens both ways, dude. Its not like people call up Yankees fans and say ****.

Plus the complaints of the salary thing. It is what it is... they are how things are setup, make do and don't complain... they voted for it and accepted it. Now deal with it. Plus, when you are 2nd , right behind in salary it leaves you little credibility compared to the Twins, A's, Marlins, Expos... etc.

I have no problem being 2nd in Salary, which is why I don't talk about it. In fact, I've only heard two people mention salary. One was LoA. We accept it. We accept that it may take Yankee money to beat the Yankees (and consequently any other team). But the simple fact is that money has provided for one of the best teams in MLB history. It would be a whole lot different if it were a sub-par team.

And just seeing this fool on this forum only fortifies my feelings towards their FANS. Suffer. I only wish the Sox could actually win one but not to let the Boston fans enjoy it. Except for maybe the older more civilized ones. Say the ones that remember 1918 and '46 blah blah blah.

**** you. Who the **** are you? Damning all of us for the select few? That's very high-and-mighty of you, Mr. Can-Do-No-Wrong.

Oh, and IRT the "throwing back of the baseballs", the Cubs fans do it every game. The Sox fans did it once or twice. The Yankees fans NEEDED RIOT POLICE TO CONTROL THEM!

Who is worse?

Me replying to you like this will probably make you hate Red Sox fans even more, even with well-argued, non-LoA style points. But then again, who said you needed to like us?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

non LoA? hey . . .. .

[Lawrence of Arabia]

hree days ago, the Yankees were three outs away from sweeping Boston in four games. Now the team with the game's highest payroll is 27 outs away from doing what no other team in baseball history has done in a century of postseason play: blow a 3-0 series lead. And most delicious of all, they would blow it to the Red Sox.


As a precaution, major-league security has ordered riot police to surround George Steinbrenner's owners box.

[Arrian]

Come on, LoA. You're the stereotypical bad Red Sox fan. Even your fellow Red Sox fans see it.

Emp Fab - may the best team win. The issues Yankees fans have with Red Sox fans and vice-versa aren't about which team you root for so much as they are about a certain type of person. And those people suck. I have lots of Sox fans as friends, I'm gonna marry one, ffs! The office is nearly evenly divided. And somehow we all manage to be civil to one another while still supporting our teams. Go figure.

Imran - I see your point about headhunting, but wasn't it Cobb who climbed into the crown to beat up a fan in a wheelchair? I mean, that's a whole special level of despicable.

-Arrian

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Come on, LoA. You're the stereotypical bad Red Sox fan. Even your fellow Red Sox fans see it.

i know, cant help it. its easy to be magnanimous when you have a lot of it, its a lot harder to share or be understanding when you dont have anything at all, only failure.

[Arrian]

Now the team with the game's highest payroll is 27 outs away from doing what no other team in baseball history has done in a century of postseason play: blow a 3-0 series lead. And most delicious of all, they would blow it to the Red Sox.

Absolutely true. However, the following is also true:

Now the Red Sox, the team with a rich and storied history of disappointment and failure, having authored a truely historic comeback from 0-3 down to force an unprecedented game 7 (and, in the process, lighting the beacon of hope in the Red Sox Nation once more) are a mere 27 outs away from breaking their fan's hearts all over again.

Which one prevails? I'm sure the sportswriters have each storyline all typed up already, with a few blanks for the potential heroes & goats. The only thing left is for the teams to play ball.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia

i know, cant help it. its easy to be magnanimous when you have a lot of it, its a lot harder to share or be understanding when you dont have anything at all, only failure.

Meh. Excuses. I could come up with a similar one for the ugly Yankee fan:

"Oh, they can't help it. You see, it's the stress born of imagining the unthinkable: losing to the Red Sox in the playoffs. The fear of having to face gloating Red Sox fans is so horrifying as to override all semblence of sanity. It's hard to contemplate failure, when all you know is winning..."

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

-Arrian

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Geez...Schilling must be going for a movie deal out of this. They just said he was available in the bullpen tonight.

Admittedly, pretty much everybody would be available in this situation, but still...