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Ignoring the long and irrelevant Ogie-Ramo discussion, what the Sinclair group is doing is very brazen- hjow more of an obviously partisan thing could one do?
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Gotcha. I'll remember to insert IMO before every statement uttered by Kerry going forward. (By the way considering I could give two rats asses about Kerry's opinion that will make listening to him much easier. ThanksOriginally posted by Ramo
Thank you for rationalizing what can only be described as a statement of fact. I don't care for reasons why only that it was submitted as fact.
Omitting "in my opinion" doesn't mean a statement is not a value judgement. Just about every political statement is a value judgement. Expecting politicians to preface every opinion with "in my opinion" is absurd.
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Tell me does that apply to every politico?
FDR (IMO) The japanese attacked us at Pearl harbor.
Lincoln (IMO) Four score and seven years ago today.....
Truman (IMO) We have dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan.
Nixon (IMO) I authorized the B52 bombings of North Vietnam.
Kerry (IMO) The war has cost us $200 billion.
Time for a game. Which one doesn't belong? Hint it's the false one at the bottom.
If by making **** up you mean actually wanting real evidence before claiming something as fact, then yes count me guilty.Nope I'll readily admit I don't subscribe to WaPo. But until I read the sources quotes I stand behind my position that this is nothing more than gossip columnry.
So, you're making **** up, again?
Sorry can't help you.In implicitly stating the coalition does not include Iraq, it implies that Iraq does not exist
Logic does not compute."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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I agree.Originally posted by GePap
Ignoring the long and irrelevant Ogie-Ramo discussion, what the Sinclair group is doing is very brazen- hjow more of an obviously partisan thing could one do?
'cepting the extremely relevant Ogie part. The irrelevant Ramo part stands.
Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; October 11, 2004, 15:01."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Yeh. What's up with that, anyway. Sounds fishy to me. Kerry even went so far as to quote from George and Barbara's tax returns in the debate, but isn't turning over his and Theresa's returns.No, what he is not doing is having his wife fully disclose her income tax statements when the household income is largely hers. I find it more than a bit interesting that Kerry would choose to highlight anything in Laura and George's income taxes when he or Teresa feel the need to hide theirs.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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If his lax attention to detail in quoting from Dubya's taxes is any indication, I'd be afraid to release my returns to.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Time for a game. Which one doesn't belong? Hint it's the false one at the bottom.
Have fun knocking down that strawman? And I never defended the $200 billion number.
Let's examine your opinions in this thread:
"Especially when point c relies on rumors and implied suppostion of motive"
Liar.
"By drawing attention to the Bush family household income it signals a man throwing stones."
Liar.
"It neglects the most important ally of all , the provisional Iraqi government."
Liar.
And so forth.
This is fun. Why are you such a liar, Ogie? You must be Kerry's DL.
If by making **** up you mean actually wanting real evidence before claiming something as fact, then yes count me guilty.
Making **** up is saying something "relies on rumors and implied suppostion of motive" when you haven't even bothered to find out anything about it."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Nope, just every other falsehood/exaggeration Kerry seems to utter.Originally posted by Ramo
Time for a game. Which one doesn't belong? Hint it's the false one at the bottom.
Have fun knocking down that strawman? And I never defended the $200 billion number.
All good points save the liar moniker that you would prefer to simply brush aside.Let's examine your opinions in this thread:
"Especially when point c relies on rumors and implied suppostion of motive"
Liar.
"By drawing attention to the Bush family household income it signals a man throwing stones."
Liar.
"It neglects the most important ally of all , the provisional Iraqi government."
Liar.
And so forth.
This is fun. Why are you afraid to address the points? Must be your scared. You must be Kerry's DL.
Ohh by the way Ramie Poo heres the latest from factcheck.org just for you since you seem so incredibly unable to check the siteIf by making **** up you mean actually wanting real evidence before claiming something as fact, then yes count me guilty.
Making **** up is saying something "relies on rumors and implied suppostion of motive" when you haven't even bothered to find out anything about it.
Game, set, match.(Update, Oct. 11: We originally quoted in this space an Oct. 9 Washington Post story saying Gen. Shinseki's pending retirement was leaked "in revenge" for his position on troop levels. Based on that, we said there was "some truth" to Kerry's statement. However, the Post withdrew their report in a correction published Oct. 11.)
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Ogie pwnz again!I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Ogie is not worth dealing with, for he lives in a fantasy land where he cares nothing for the much worse innaccuracies and lies of Bush. Why does he feel this way? He apparently just hates Kerry. For while Kerry has said things that are not true and he has exaggerated the truth, the fact is that overall his is the more honest and straightforward candidate. Quite frankly he isn't that bad in terms of honesty overall, because most candidates lie quite a lot.
Anyhow, Ogie is apparently very keen in denigrated Kerry any chance he can get, even if that means Ogie has to state his own opinion as fact. Kerry's coalition comments ruining morale? Is there even one iota of evidence that can support that? *sigh* saying the war is going fine when many troops don't think it is, now that screws up morale.
In short, Ogie has decided to give Bush a free pass at whatever lies Bush says, no matter how atrocious. The effect of this is that he avoid the honesty comparison wherein Bush would lose by a wide margin. Naturally Ogie likes to distort things in a Bushian manner, if not to the same extent. Might as well let his blatantly biased ramblings please himself, because I am sure he can ramble on forever about such things.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Double pwnage!I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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To me it seems like Ogie simply wants to treat Kerry the way Bush gets treated. What's sauce for the goose and all that.(\__/)
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Except for the fact we already acknowledged Kerry's statement there was erronous. The quoted post article was incorrect because it stated that the retirment was announced after the General's statements. He's "pwnz"-ing a strawman.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Ogie pwnz again!
In fact it was announced much earlier because Rumsfeld didn't like Clinton-era generals. Just because they stopped listening to the guy earlier doesn't change the fact they weren't listening to an expert in the field.
Ignoring experts is not wise, but the Bush administration has a habit of ignoring people. Anyhow, the put being that yes, Kerry was wrong in his fact, but the principle of ignoring an expert who warned that the plan wasn't good still stands; that is the principle Kerry was bringing up.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Except, perhaps, unlike the Bush supporters, we will admit that Kerry doesn't always tell the truth. Politicians in general don't always tell the truth.Originally posted by notyoueither
To me it seems like Ogie simply wants to treat Kerry the way Bush gets treated. What's sauce for the goose and all that.
Bush lies to a much, much greater extent, and he also rips quotes from their context and distorts and alters the entire spirit of their original meaning. That's a lot worse than anything Kerry has done (for in general he has preserved the original spirit of what was going on).
Yes, lying isn't something I like about Politics, but it is something you have to deal with. To ignore one side's lies and only focus on the opposition is to blind yourself to what is going on.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Sorry, Drach if I hurt your feelings.
By the by, any link yet for me on those jobs numbers?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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