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  • #121
    Oh, and I didn't even go into the magnitude of the lies, and there are more Kerry "lies" that are truth strechings or roughly true statements that I still counted as a lie. I admit I didn't count it up compared to Bush, but there seemed to be a lot more "white lies" from Kerry than from Bush.

    Of course, both sides have a number of blatant lies.

    -Drachasor
    "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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    • #122
      Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


      Badnarik



      I forgot -- pragmaticism and praticality are not your strong points when it comes to voting.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #123
        Actually my rationale is quite simple. Georgia is a foregone conclusion for Bush. My vote is simply a vote to endorse by and large the Lib platform agenda items in the vain hope that some may be incorporated into major party platforms going forward.

        IMO practical and pragmatic.
        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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        • #124
          Originally posted by Drachasor
          Total Net: 18

          So While the number of articles doesn't seem that out of kilter (10 vs 8), many more lies are coming from the Bush camp.

          -Drachasor
          I trust your results. Feel free to keep us posted.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #125
            Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
            Actually my rationale is quite simple. Georgia is a foregone conclusion for Bush. My vote is simply a vote to endorse by and large the Lib platform agenda items in the vain hope that some may be incorporated into major party platforms going forward.

            IMO practical and pragmatic.

            note, key operative words "vain hope"
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #126
              Hey what can I say. I'm a conservative and by default that means an optimist.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • #127
                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                Hey what can I say. I'm a conservative and by default that means an optimist.
                Actually, that makes you be default a pessimist: liberals believe Man can change his own fate and through ideas recreate society for the better.

                Conservatives don't believe man has this ability- at best they think man, through a set of rules an values slowly evolving through centuries can make things better without collapsing. Its corservatives who believe in Original Sin. Not LIberals.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                • #128
                  Originally posted by GePap

                  Conservatives don't believe man has this ability- at best they think man, through a set of rules an values slowly evolving through centuries can make things better without collapsing. Its corservatives who believe in Original Sin.
                  Exactly the reason to be optimistic rather than advocating the pessimism required of liberals to encourage revolution, and teh ensuing death and destruction as has been so often the case in human history.
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                  “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                    Exactly the reason to be optimistic rather than advocating the pessimism required of liberals to encourage revolution, and teh ensuing death and destruction as has been so often the case in human history.
                    You got to tear down something to build something up- you would not be alive unless lots of other things died in order for you to ingest them. We had to blow away a mountain to make Mt. Rushmore, so forth and so on.
                    If you don't like reality, change it! me
                    "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                    "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                    "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                    • #130
                      Kinna like tearing down Sadaam's reign ehhh?
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                        Hey what can I say. I'm a conservative and by default that means an optimist.
                        I'm a liberal and I'm also an optimist.

                        I'm a liberal and I do not advocate for radical revolution.





                        Did you know that whenever you assume something about others, you make an *ss out of yourself?
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #132
                          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                          Kinna like tearing down Sadaam's reign ehhh?
                          Yes, kinna. Of course, what matters is what you build on it. If you tear down a burned down husk to replace it with a burning pile of garbage, that is no improvement
                          If you don't like reality, change it! me
                          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #133
                            Fun,



                            Tell it to GePap who made the generalizations about libs and conservatives. I only spoke for myself (and perhaps if you stretch it fellow conservatives).
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                              Tell it to GePap who made the generalizations about libs and conservatives. I only spoke for myself. :
                              But you agreed with me, so you are stuck now, pessimism boy
                              If you don't like reality, change it! me
                              "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                              "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                              "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                              • #135
                                Where, ohh raincloud of optimism?
                                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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