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He wrote you a long post conceeding that point.
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Nope, just every other falsehood/exaggeration Kerry seems to utter.
Two slightly wrong statements and two perfectly valid statements are now somehow every falsehood Kerry has made? I guess that means Kerry has only made two lies? Your estimation of Kerry's honesty is far higher than my estimation.
All good points save the liar moniker that you would prefer to simply brush aside.
This is fun. Why are you afraid to address the points? Must be your scared. You must be Kerry's DL.
I did address your point. Again, you asserted that not prefacing an opinion with "IMO" is dishonest. I pointed out three of your opinions that you didn't preface with "IMO." Does that make you a liar?
Ohh by the way Ramie Poo heres the latest from factcheck.org just for you since you seem so incredibly unable to check the site
Not checking the site every minute makes me "so incredibly unable to check the site?" Anyways, factcheck.org dropped the ball, I shouldn't have trusted that liar Cheney's source.
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I've lied any number of times in this thread.Originally posted by Ramo
I pointed out three of your opinions that you didn't preface with "IMO." Does that make you a liar?
I think I said I'm sorry a couple of times. And something about respectfully as well."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Or more like,
"Respectfully take your opinion, and shove it up your ignorant *ss!"
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Naaah, I'm much more tactful than saying that.
But your more than welcome translating for me since you seem to speak fluent Dem.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Naaah, I'm much more tactful than saying that.
But your more than welcome translating for me since you seem to speak fluent Dem.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Just for grins and giggles to determine which side has been guilty of more ditortions then teh other side.
I tallied up all the instances of distortions according to factcheck.org's archives.
In a squeaker the winner was ............................
Kerry Edwards and Co (note I did not count the instances of Dean, Gephardt, or Lieberman distortions but did include Michael Moore and Moveon.org)
@ 44 instances
Bush Cheney and Co (including swift boat vets)
@42 instances.
Hail Hail, Kerry!!"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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There's one point, Ogie - I didn't have to bury any of Kerry's lies. I did have to bury one of Bush's lies - so are you counting numbers, or consequences. If you look at consequences - until he admits his appointees to DOD and with Iraq have f****d up - Bush's consequences (negative) beat Kerry's by a landslide. Over 1000 families have not buried Kerry's mistakes. Ned at least would grant me the point on Shinseki - google his name, and then look at this administrations whine that they didn't know it would take so many troops - and then try and tell me whose lies are worse (Rummy lied through his teeth to Congress on this one about four months ago). At least many of our not so liberal folks here - Oerdin, Ted Striker, Bezerker amd others are honest enough to see this administration for what it is. Kerry is a deeply flawed candidate, but the Bush administration is a known - proven incompetent by world events - need I list them? Good night, and please consider this.The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.Comment
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Including Michael Moore and Moveon.org is not fair.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Just for grins and giggles to determine which side has been guilty of more ditortions then teh other side.
I tallied up all the instances of distortions according to factcheck.org's archives.
In a squeaker the winner was ............................
Kerry Edwards and Co (note I did not count the instances of Dean, Gephardt, or Lieberman distortions but did include Michael Moore and Moveon.org)
@ 44 instances
Bush Cheney and Co (including swift boat vets)
@42 instances.
Hail Hail, Kerry!!A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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But it is the only way Kerry can lose!Originally posted by MrFun
Including Michael Moore and Moveon.org is not fair.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Count up the score for both, Kerry and Bush, without including organizations and individuals that are not officially part of either candidate's campaign.
EDIT: And I forgot to point out, that at the same time, including the Swift Boats Veterans with Bush is also not fair.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Actually some good points here Shawn. OTOH, its liar you know verses the bigger liar you don't know.Originally posted by shawnmmcc
There's one point, Ogie - I didn't have to bury any of Kerry's lies. I did have to bury one of Bush's lies - so are you counting numbers, or consequences. If you look at consequences - until he admits his appointees to DOD and with Iraq have f****d up - Bush's consequences (negative) beat Kerry's by a landslide. Over 1000 families have not buried Kerry's mistakes. Ned at least would grant me the point on Shinseki - google his name, and then look at this administrations whine that they didn't know it would take so many troops - and then try and tell me whose lies are worse (Rummy lied through his teeth to Congress on this one about four months ago). At least many of our not so liberal folks here - Oerdin, Ted Striker, Bezerker amd others are honest enough to see this administration for what it is. Kerry is a deeply flawed candidate, but the Bush administration is a known - proven incompetent by world events - need I list them? Good night, and please consider this."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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We already know Bush is a catastrophic failure. If Kerry is elected and is a catastrophic failure, then we've lost nothing. On the other hand, if he's only a miserable failure, we've gained!Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Actually some good points here Shawn. OTOH, its liar you know verses the bigger liar you don't know.
Basically, with Bush, there's no where to go but up.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Do you want that as Kerry and Edwards vs. Cheney and Bush? or simply Kerry vs. Bush?Originally posted by MrFun
Count up the score for both, Kerry and Bush, without including organizations and individuals that are not officially part of either candidate's campaign.
EDIT: And I forgot to point out, that at the same time, including the Swift Boats Veterans with Bush is also not fair.
Let me know which one you'ld like to see, it'll be an interesting exercise."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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That latter; anything directly connected to the campaigns in fact.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Do you want that as Kerry and Edwards vs. Cheney and Bush? or simply Kerry vs. Bush?
Let me know which one you'ld like to see, it'll be an interesting exercise.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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