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**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 05:47

That guy's advice wasn't very good. Too partisan for my tastes, as well.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 05:52

Kerry voted to give authorization for Bush to declare war on Iraq and since then has become a critic of Bush's handling of the war. That's why conservatives are saying Kerry is flip-flopping.

Actually, I think the flip-flopping charge comes more from Kerry saying that he "would still have gone into Iraq, even knowing what he knows now" a couple months ago (on Meet The Press, IIRC) and then saying that he "wouldn't have gone into Iraq, knowing what he knows now" this week with Diane Sawyer. Then he said that whether the invasion was justified or not depends on what the outcome is.

Yeah, that whole "flip-flop" charge is just Republican bull****...

**DRoseDARs** · October 1, 2004, 05:55

Originally posted by Docfeelgood

So if I hire someone to do a job on my house,I give them the goahead and then they do a poor job, I voice my dislike then this is "flipflopping"?

Ya know, I cannot find it in my dictonary.

I know it is slang but I have not heard it used much.

I think you're starting to see the silliness of this "flip-flop" garbage...

Kerry and so many others voted 'yes' because Bush said Saddam was an immediate threat to the US and that he would exhaust all options before declaring war to take him out. Many claim that after the vote Bush only made good on his "promises" enough to convince the majority of USAmerican sheeple that he had.

Whether any of the Congressmen/women truly believed Bush any further than they could through him is best left to their autobiographies.

Conservatives pushing the "flip-flop" meme are equating criticisms of Bush's handling of the war with publically taking the opposite opinion of previously stated "support" of the war. For example, I felt the United States going to war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were the right choices, however I do not feel nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good choices to make as soon as they were available. I have not "flip-flopped" on WWII, though such conservatives would have you believe I have. Kerry and so many others never questioned Saddam's status as a hell-bound tyrant that one-way-or-another needed to go, but they question Bush's handling of the issue. There were other ways Bush chose not to faithfully and honestly attempt and that's what has many people riled up.

**DRoseDARs** · October 1, 2004, 05:57

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Kerry voted to give authorization for Bush to declare war on Iraq and since then has become a critic of Bush's handling of the war. That's why conservatives are saying Kerry is flip-flopping.

Actually, I think the flip-flopping charge comes more from Kerry saying that he "would still have gone into Iraq, even knowing what he knows now" a couple months ago (on Meet The Press, IIRC) and then saying that he "wouldn't have gone into Iraq, knowing what he knows now" this week with Diane Sawyer. Then he said that whether the invasion was justified or not depends on what the outcome is.

Yeah, that whole "flip-flop" charge is just Republican bull****...

I stopped watching the talking heads a long time ago, so I obviously missed all this. But I think I've gotten enough of the jyst of it and hopefully we've explained it well enough for Doc and others.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 06:02

I don't watch the talking heads, either, since it's kind of impossible for me. I do read, though, which is something I wish would catch on at Poly...

**Stefu** · October 1, 2004, 06:04

Pictures:

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 06:06

McCain

Laura Bush cheating on the President with another man

**DRoseDARs** · October 1, 2004, 06:08

I just get too fustrated with it all; I'm liable to give myself ulcers if I get into it too much. I do read, but there's so much to sift through. Plus, free online registrations are annoying and unnecessary.

Anyway, I really need to go to bed now. If anyone still has questions regarding flip-flopping, I trust you'll be "Fair and Balanced" about it based on your "Yeah, that whole "flip-flop" charge is just Republican bull****..." comment, right?

G'night y'all.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 06:09

BTW, Bush just totally PWNED Kerry in the 3 minute summary of the debate NHK just showed...

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 06:12

If anyone still has questions regarding flip-flopping, I trust you'll be "Fair and Balanced" about it based on your "Yeah, that whole "flip-flop" charge is just Republican bull****..." comment, right?

I don't see how any thinking person can claim that Kerry isn't a flip-flopper. It'd be like claiming that Bush is a wonderful public speaker...

**Whaleboy** · October 1, 2004, 06:20

Drake, exactly how far are you up Bush's arse? Evidently far enough to pick his ****. You seem to think that he can do no wrong

**the_ceebs** · October 1, 2004, 06:24

I don't see how any thinking person can claim that Kerry isn't a flip-flopper

How can any Thinking person claim that changing your mind when the information you have about what is happening shows the world to be radically different to your inittial assumptions is a bad thing

standing there and shouting that you are right and that changing your mind is the mark of evil is the sign of a moron. not the sign of a thinking being

**Stefu** · October 1, 2004, 06:24

= WTF

**Whaleboy** · October 1, 2004, 06:25

Yay! A caption thread!

**Drake Tungsten** · October 1, 2004, 06:32

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Drake, exactly how far are you up Bush's arse? Evidently far enough to pick his ****. You seem to think that he can do no wrong

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