The Social Contract?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Nobody's creating a system where people have to steal food.

How do the abject poor eat without welfare? You say get a job, but what if there isn't any in their area? Then they'll steal food.

Commie.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi
As I've said, I have no problem putting myself in another's shoes.

I'm telling you about my experiences. You insist on telling me that that experience is wrong. There are plenty of others who tell you what they see too. You are simply choosing no to believe it. That's what I'm talking about. It's just crazy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Solomwi
I have yet to see anyone living in a free society whose situation led me to the conclusion that stealing food was the best way to go. It may be the easiest, but it's never the only, and rarely, if ever, the best solution.

Before welfare programs were created, theft for survival was quite common. No capitalist society has yet produced full employment, and charity has never been as great as libertarians would like to pretend. When Shurbs dad, Bush, was Prez, 9,000 people lined up for 200 jobs at a Sheraton hotel, hardly a good job. I remember that winter well. I didn't get a single job to which I applied, and I wasn't discriminating. I finally did get a job for ten hours a week. I needed to steal food that year, and I did.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I'm telling you about my experiences. You insist on telling me that that experience is wrong. There are plenty of others who tell you what they see too. You are simply choosing no to believe it. That's what I'm talking about. It's just crazy.

No, I'm simply believing the truth that you, nor che, exhausted every option before resorting to stealing food (assuming, as you imply, that you stole food to survive).

[chequita guevara]

No, I didn't excercise the option to starve to death, sorry.

[Solomwi]

Thief. You should be locked up for not starving.

[chequita guevara]

I did plenty of begging and mooching, and I made just barely enough money to pay the bills. But we just didn't have enough food. 1990-91 was probably the roughest time I've ever faced.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi


No, I'm simply believing the truth that you, nor che, exhausted every option before resorting to stealing food (assuming, as you imply, that you stole food to survive).

Well, not recognizing simple facts is just fanatical. Your whole ideology is based on the assumption that no one ever has to steal food. It's an observable fact that your assumption is false. All you can do is pretend that you don't see something. I can say hey watch out for that falling rock, but you can still pretend that the rock doesn't exist I guess if you don' t look up or move. That's just about as sane as libertarian ideology.

[Whoha]

Re: Re: Re: The Social Contract?

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


. . . is an idiot and has probably done more damage to the economy than any single person alive. This is the man that yanked the rug out from under the Clinton boom and the Bush recovery. He needs to be taken to a muddy field and shot.

Greenspan had to cover for other idiotic policies, He can not let the money supply go to infinity.

[Japher]

Well, not recognizing simple facts is just fanatical. Your whole ideology is based on the assumption that no one ever has to steal food. It's an observable fact that your assumption is false. All you can do is pretend that you don't see something. I can say hey watch out for that falling rock, but you can still pretend that the rock doesn't exist I guess if you don' t look up or move. That's just about as sane as libertarian ideology.

And than you assume that ppl can't do anything for themselves, but somehow are not at all lazy or unwilling to take any job that comes along. That assumption is also false. Even we acknowledge the rock and point out that it is not falling you still act like chicken little.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Well, not recognizing simple facts is just fanatical. Your whole ideology is based on the assumption that no one ever has to steal food. It's an observable fact that your assumption is false. All you can do is pretend that you don't see something. I can say hey watch out for that falling rock, but you can still pretend that the rock doesn't exist I guess if you don' t look up or move. That's just about as sane as libertarian ideology.

Yes, insanity to require people to legally fend for themselves.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Social Contract?

Originally posted by Whoha
Greenspan had to cover for other idiotic policies, He can not let the money supply go to infinity.

He raised interest rates to slow down the "overheating" economy, i.e., to deliberately raise unemployment to act as a brake on wage increases which he felt raised a danger of inflation. The moment he did so, the economy tilted towards recession.

When concerned about the stock bubble, rather than raising the rates on margins, he again raised the prime rate.

He stated that Bush's tax cuts were a good idea, even though the resulting deficit has begun to cause inflation, and has utterly filed to produce anything close to the results that Bush claimed it would (300,000 new jobs a month).

He raised interest rates at the same time when rising oil prices were already hurting our recovery.

The man is dangerous and needs to be replaced. His only claim to fame is refusing to raise rates earlier in the Clinton boom, which was hardly a brillaint idea.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Do you ever get the urge to chuck in your job and go on the dole just to piss off the libertarians?

[chequita guevara]

No. The dole doesn't pay well enough. Another $500 a month would make it worth it just to spite them.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Since seeing the seagulls in "Finding Nemo" I've had trouble reading posts by Libertarians

Originally posted by some random whingeing Libertarian


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