The Social Contract?

[Kidlicious]

Tingkai

[Drogue]

Actually I generally like Greenspan, in that he also doesn't bow the the leftist demands that the unemployment rate being as low as possible is the be all and end all of monetary policy. What can Greenspan do? Control interest rates. What about the US rate has been so bad in the last 15 years?

[Ned]

Actually, today we have the best economic conditions in my lifetime: high growth, no inflation, historically low interest rates, the lowest unemployment rate in a decade...

Of course, this has a lot to do with Greenspan.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Did black people have a social responsibility to be slaves 150 years ago? But I sure will remember the "love it or leave it" mentality y'all have, just another thing in common with the warmongering right.

The slaves DID contribute to society, and they had an obligation to do so. That doesn't make slavery fair though, because they contributed way more than the recieved in benefits. And then there's the slave thing too.

Again, this is directed at you personally or any other lib. Assuming, as you do, that poor people have no right to eat food that is owned by others, what should the punishment be for these people who you will kick off of welfare for stealing food for their babies.

[Kidlicious]

Greenspan is very talented for his job.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Again, this is directed at you personally or any other lib. Assuming, as you do, that poor people have no right to eat food that is owned by others, what should the punishment be for these people who you will kick off of welfare for stealing food for their babies.

The same as the punishment is for stealing food for themselves, or anything of similar value as the stolen food.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi
The same as the punishment is for stealing food for themselves, or anything of similar value as the stolen food.

That's sick.

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Of course, when asked to vote to help people, Alabama voted no overwhelmingly

Che, are you referring to Riley's tax package, Siegelman's lottery proposal or something else entirely?

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


That's sick.

What's sick about punishing a thief?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi


What's sick about punishing a thief?

Because you think your property is more important than their lives.

[Solomwi]

Their lives don't give them free rein to take whatever they like from me. That's just asinine. Let's get to the heart of the issue, though: he or she is a criminal, obviously without respect for the basic property rights that help form the foundation of any free society. Motivation for the crime is irrelevant to that point. If this mother were that concerned about her baby, she would have (drumroll please) gotten a job when notified that she would no longer be collecting welfare.

[Jon Miller]

the social contract arrises from this:

Bob's family is large and starts forcing the other families arround to give them food

Charles's family and Adam's realise this and band together (Actually, probably Charle's family offers Adam's family potection in exchange for some of Charles's families food) so as not to be bullied by Bob's family

in each state the individuals of that state recieve certain agreed upon benefits, and in return give up power

at the very basic level, there is the fact that you couldn't keep your land, withuot the assistance of the state

so the basis of the social contract is protection

as Bob's circle (State) grew larger, so did Charles's, with Pete's family and Sven's family soon joining

however, one year Adam's family had a famine, Charles realised that if his family did not assist Adam's family, than Adam's family would not be able to help protect him against Bob

so he requested grain from Pete's family and Sven's family to give to Adam's family so that no one would die and Adam's family could support him

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Their lives don't give them free rein to take whatever they like from me. That's just asinine. Let's get to the heart of the issue, though: he or she is a criminal, obviously without respect for the basic property rights that help form the foundation of any free society. Motivation for the crime is irrelevant to that point. If this mother were that concerned about her baby, she would have (drumroll please) gotten a job when notified that she would no longer be collecting welfare.

Sometimes jobs are impossible to find. Also, many jobs (in the US at least) are not able to support someone (a minimum wage job takes away all your time, and gives you very little money in response).

Jon Miller

[Solomwi]

Particular jobs may be impossible to find at times, but there is always a job to be had.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Their lives don't give them free rein to take whatever they like from me. That's just asinine. Let's get to the heart of the issue, though: he or she is a criminal, obviously without respect for the basic property rights that help form the foundation of any free society. Motivation for the crime is irrelevant to that point. If this mother were that concerned about her baby, she would have (drumroll please) gotten a job when notified that she would no longer be collecting welfare.

You almost got the heart of the matter. It's that yes she respects the right for you to keep what you have earned. Whether you have truly earned it is a question though, especially in a capitalist system where it depends more often to what family you were born. She understands all to well that her children have a right to live, and that absolutely trumps your right to property. That's how everyone understands it. You Libertarians are so full of **** with you right to property can not be violated for any reason. You know damn well that you would all steal if you had to. Your problem is in your damn heads. You can't put yourself in others situations. This ones for the libs.