Way to go Spain - aka The results of giving in to terrorist demands

[Dry]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
EDIT: Before I forget it: The Belgians clearly stole from us. But they mixed up the order. They can't even steal properly, where has this world come to...

That's the problem time travel had to face in that time.
When, back in 1831, we send our time travellers to find a new flag, they brought back the Flag of the German Confederation of 1848.
The problem was the time machine of then was not 100% reliable and the flag came back with mixed up color order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Belgium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany

[Az]

a little threadjack: what's the problem with gun rights, spiff?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned
Yeah, Spiffor, I have the same conflict as they do. I support lifting the ban, but also do not want to cave into the terroists' demands.

So you feel for the Spaniards at their election? They wanted to vote left wing, but that would be caving into demands. In the end they ignored the terrorists and did what was in their heart.

[Drake Tungsten]

First France, now Nepal...

Militants: 12 Nepalese 'killed'

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Islamic Web site has posted gruesome still images and videos of what it says is the killing of 12 Nepalese hostages by a militant group in Iraq.

Footage posted on Tuesday showed one beheading and 11 others apparently shot from an assault rifle at the back of the head.

The video shows a masked man in desert camouflage apparently slitting the throat of a blindfolded man lying on the ground, The Associated Press reported.

The blindfolded man moans and a shrill wheeze is heard, then the masked man displays the head to the camera before resting it on the decapitated body.

CNN is working to confirm the authenticity of the images. The still images appear to have been taken from the video.

The Nepalese Foreign Ministry in Kathmandu said it had no official confirmation of what appears to have taken place.

"We have carried out the sentence of God against 12 Nepalese who came from their country to fight the Muslims and to serve the Jews and the Christians ... believing in Buddha as their God," said a statement on the site by Jaish Ansar al-Sunna.

The claims came as another Islamic group held two French journalists hostage, threatening to kill them unless the government of France revokes a law banning Muslim children from wearing headscarves in public schools. (Full story)

The Web site statement vowed to keep fighting the Americans in Iraq.

"America today has used all its force, as well as the help of others, to fight Islam under the so-called war on terror, which is nothing but a vicious crusade against Muslims," the statement said.

At the end of the four-minute video, a man reads another statement off-camera, vowing to fight the Iraqi government.

"We will work on exterminating them until the last fighter," he said.

Iyad Mansoor, director-general of the Morning Star Company, a Jordan-based services firm which had contracted the 12 Nepalese workers for jobs in Iraq, said he had no information on the beheading of the Nepalese captives.

"I'm shocked to hear such news," he told AP. "The last I heard was that the Nepalese government was in contact with Iraqi clergymen and others in an effort to set the 12 men free."

Journalist Akhilesh Upadhyay told CNN from Nepal that the news had been greeted from the men's families with shock.

Sudarshan Khadka, 23, the elder brother of hostage Ramesh Khadka, 19, told him he had just heard the news and was not sure whether it was true but was "stunned." He did not know how to break the news to his parents, he said.

Jaish Ansar al-Sunna said on August 23 it had kidnapped 12 Nepali citizens "for their cooperation with the United States in fighting Islam and its people" and described them as working for a Nepalese company that works under a Jordanian firm doing business in Iraq.

Last week a videotape was aired on the Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera purportedly showing the 12.

Nepalese Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Prakash Sharan Mahat said then that his government had asked Al-Jazeera to help it establish a relationship with the militant group behind the abductions.

In that video, a masked man wearing military fatigues aimed a machine gun at the men.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/08/31/iraq.main/index.html

I guess those crusading, imperialist Nepalese just got what they deserved, huh?

[Drake Tungsten]

Why didn't my last post bump this thread?

[:) Smiley]

It has been 48 hours, has anything happened?

[Spiffor]

Nope.

There are opposite rumors, speaking about a possible release at short term, or a possible execution at short term.

France is using all its diplomatic tools to get the terrorists to release the hostages, and most Islamic countries and organizations have now called for the release. However, it seems the terrorists are now trying to milk the hostages for what they can be worth.

I would suppose they are trying to get some really nice cookie from the French diplomacy, and I'd imagine they are supported by the "respectable" organizations with whom they interact (since it's obvious these organizations will too recieve something for their vocal support to us)

[Verto]

Negotiating with these people only makes them feel legitimate.

[Dauphin]

Which will be the first country to say, "Don't bother taking hostages, cos if you do then we will just say, '**** it! Kill 'em! We don't deal with **** like you! We would rather see our people die than talk to ****heads like you!', and while we're saying that we'll have so much intel going into finding you ****ers that you and your hostages will be ground zero for the next mushroom cloud shown on Al-Jazeera".

If you make that policy clear to your citizens as well, then it could go down ok.

[Spiffor]

Sorry Dauphin, but I stopped ignoring you.

Despite your request to ignore you, it was just too much a bore to always click to see your posts, as they're all interesting.

[MRT144]

dauphin has the right attitude

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by MRT144
wait...explain what this has to do with spain.

Terorism attack Spain ---> Spanish vote a government that do everything terrorist demands without even asking anything in return.

Those days I´m ashamed of being Spanish "our" acts retiring from Iraq are telling terrorists that their methods (attacking innocent people) work.

Now the super Minister of Defense forbids Spanish soldiers in Afganistan to shot against prisonners that are escaping. How are they supposed to keep the prisoners?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by OliverFA
Now the super Minister of Defense forbids Spanish soldiers in Afganistan to shot against prisonners that are escaping. How are they supposed to keep the prisoners?

By beating them, by watching them more closely, or by shooting with sleep-projectiles.

Do you know that it is possible to keep prisoners in a prison without using lethal means?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Verto
Negotiating with these people only makes them feel legitimate.

There is no open negociation with them, and I'd imagine the secret negociations aren't really easy to set up as well.

The terrorist may very well get money or other nice cookies in the end. They may even end up with somehting that will look symbolical to their audience in Iraq. But since no open negociation will take place, they can't get legitimacy.

[Az]

define "legitimacy".