Way to go Spain - aka The results of giving in to terrorist demands

[mrmitchell]

Verto, France and Spain might not have happened if we didn't tip Iraq. Not saying they would have! Or wouldn't have. I'm not a predictor, but it just seems like Iraq changes all the variables.

Besides, see things in color instead of black and white. Che isn't advocating that we ALWAYS negotiate, or ALWAYS fight. You should be smart enough to know that.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If you keep doing the same thing over and over again for 56 years, and it doesn't work, why wouldn't you try a different approach?

I wouldn't say it doesn't work. The state of Israel is still well and alive, after all.

[The Vagabond]

Stop Spain bashing in this context!! The Spanish government was voted out because they lied just in the days leading to the election, not because of terrorist threats. Is it that you don't understand this, or just don't want to understand?

[St Leo]

Re: Way to go Spain - aka The results of giving in to terrorist demands

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Demands by terrorists should never - ever be met. This only legitimizes terrorism as "a method that works".

What does this have to do with Spain?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
I wouldn't say it doesn't work. The state of Israel is still well and alive, after all.

They have failed to stop Palestinian terrorism against them.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


They have failed to stop Palestinian terrorism against them.

A perfect result has not been achieved, but the main goal (to survive) has been fulfilled. This is what I actually meant.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
A perfect result has not been achieved, but the main goal (to survive) has been fulfilled.

As terrorism was never a serious threat to the existence of the Israeli state, the counter-terrorist tactics Israel persued were irrelevent in this regard. The serious threts to the existence of Israel came from other states. Counter-terrorism efforts have only one serious goal, to stop terrorist attacks. In this regard, Israeli tactics have been an abismal failure.

They've only just recently seem to have gotten it under control, and I suspect the fence has more to do with that than anything else.

[Natalinasmpf]

I think the Iraqi freedom fighters merely want to flaunt their authority , such that, much later on, they will be looked up to.

Such an absolutist decision on terrorism makes one rigid and inflexible. May I remind you, terrorists can still win even if demands are not met. They can still inspire terror, pressure people, and continue about their usual routine. The fact that they have the power to kill and massacre is incentive enough, its a win-win situation for them. (Unless you catch them, of course, but that doesn't happen everyday) Especially when you deal with martyrs.

Terrorism is just guerilla act of war between parties (whether recognised or not). Therefore it should be treated like war. Now, we don't go, "We will never sign a peace treaty with you! We will fight to the death!", now do we?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Natalinasmpf
Now, we don't go, "We will never sign a peace treaty with you! We will fight to the death!", now do we?

That's pretty much their attitude. When you are dealing with people would almost rather die, you don't have a lot of choice in how you deal with them..

[alva]

One man told the camera: "I would like to tell my family that everything is OK."

poor guy

France to abandon its "unfair and aggressive" ban on Muslim headscarves in state school

Yeah, cut of everybody's head and the headscarf problem will cease to be
Good thing they aren't unfair and aggressive

******* bastards.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


If you keep doing the same thing over and over again for 56 years, and it doesn't work, why wouldn't you try a different approach?

It was Einstein who said, "conitinuing the same action, and expecting different results is a form of insanity."

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Spiffor
They can go **** themselves.

There's no way we remove the headscarf ban in 48 hours, especially during the holidays

If these journalists are executed, what would you expect the French Government to do to get justice for their murdered citizens?

[Natalinasmpf]

That's pretty much their attitude. When you are dealing with people would almost rather die, you don't have a lot of choice in how you deal with them..

But they'd rather not die if they could get the conditions to be agreed. Also, the hostage's countries adopt this attitude too, so the terrorists would deliver their word, no?

How can they sign a treaty if the other side won't negotiate in the first place? And treaties won't be signed until conditions are favourable/weighed, first, no?

[DinoDoc]

They should remove the ban regardless of what the terrorists say.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


A more intelligent one. Think about it. Israel has been using the exact same methods for the last 56 years, and yet they still face terrorism.

Comeon Che, you know that is blatantly false. The nature of the terrorist threat, and Israel's policies towards terrorism have varied greatly throughout the years, all over the spectrum from attempting to assiante terrrorist leader arafat, to letting him in the country and giving him land and a troop allowance. Israel has not been doing the eaxt same thing for the last 56 years. Their new tactic, building a big wall, is a new thing they are trying.

Try to spin the isssue is much as you like, and talk about an unspecified more intellegent way of fighting terrorism all you like, but terrorism still places a fundamental choice on the victimized country: Either give in, or attempt to fight the terrorists.