Way to go Spain - aka The results of giving in to terrorist demands

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
The nature of the terrorist threat, and Israel's policies towards terrorism have varied greatly throughout the years

That's correct.

Afterall, they used terrorism succcessfully against the Brits.

[Pekka]

"I think the Iraqi freedom fighters merely want to flaunt their authority , such that, much later on, they will be looked up to."

"Terrorism is just guerilla act of war between parties (whether recognised or not). Therefore it should be treated like war. Now, we don't go, "We will never sign a peace treaty with you! We will fight to the death!", now do we?"

People kidnapping journalists and threatning to execute them if they don't change some school policies in some other country IS NOT FREEDOM FIGHTING. I think by definition you can't be a freedom fighter if you cross the line of what is freedom fighting. Thus, these men who did this are NOT freedom fighters, but criminals.

I don't think a lot of people can judge freedom figthing, the true one. However, we should not mix up criminals, terrorists and freedom fighters. If one claims to be one, it doens't make it so.

Second of all, terrorism and guerilla warfare are two different things, and though they have simularities, they still are two different things and should be treated as ones. There might be terrorists that execute some guerilla tactics, and there might be guerillas that act like terrorists, but the fact remains, those two are different things. That's why they have different words to call them.

If we fail to recognize these facts, we can never win anything. We must know what we're fighting in order to defeat it. Just my 2 cents, but should be treated as golden advice.

[:) Smiley]

If you keep doing the same thing over and over again for 56 years, and it doesn't work, why wouldn't you try a different approach?

Sometimes stuff takes time. Changing policies mid-course is inefficient. Ya could lose half of all the accumulated shields.

[chequita guevara]

I only play C3C. We don't lose our shields when we switch.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
As terrorism was never a serious threat to the existence of the Israeli state, the counter-terrorist tactics Israel persued were irrelevent in this regard. The serious threts to the existence of Israel came from other states. Counter-terrorism efforts have only one serious goal, to stop terrorist attacks. In this regard, Israeli tactics have been an abismal failure.

It might well be that, in the case of Israel (and not only of Israel), the problem of terrorism is unsolvable in principle. At least, not solvable in the nearest future. Then the best they can do is to control it at an acceptable level. From this point of view, it has not been a failure, but rather a success. To wish that terrorist attacks stop completely is unrealistic. Do you seriously think that if you just start acting nicely, terrorism will stop? There are objective and deeply rooted reasons for terrorism.

[The Vagabond]

to France for the ban. I just hope they have the guts to see this through.

[Nubclear]

Re: Way to go Spain - aka The results of giving in to terrorist demands

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

End Headscarf Ban, Iraq Hostage Takers Warn France

By Miral Fahmy

DUBAI (Reuters) - An Iraqi militant group has kidnapped two French journalists and given the French government 48 hours to end its ban on Muslim headscarves in school, Arabic television station Al Jazeera said Saturday.

Jazeera identified the hostages as reporters George Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot. Last week, the French Foreign Ministry said the two men had gone missing in Iraq.

The channel aired a brief video showing what it said were the two journalists standing in front of a black banner bearing the name of the Islamic Army in Iraq. One man told the camera: "I would like to tell my family that everything is OK."

[...]

The Al Jazeera announcer said the Islamic Army in Iraq issued an ultimatum to France to abandon its "unfair and aggressive" ban on Muslim headscarves in state schools within 48 hours. It did not say whether the group threatened to kill its captives if France did not comply.

[...]

Activist groups have branded the headscarf law discriminatory and defended what they said was the religious obligation of all Muslim women to cover their hair.

Earlier this year, senior al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri lambasted France's ban on Muslim headscarves, saying in an audio tape that Paris was displaying "Crusader hatred" toward Islam.

[...]

I always warned that once you give in to terrorist demands, you legitimize the use of terrorist tactics in their eyes.

I always claimed that terrorism must be disclaimed inllegitimate and no demands must be ever met.

Some here have claimed that terrorism will stop once we take away its justification. I always warned, that terrorism must be stopped regardless of justification, because it will end up using as a political tool regardless of justification.

Some here have even claimed that terrorism is a legitimate measure because of the justification the groups exclaimed cause gives them. "Freedom fighting" it was called.

Well how is this any different?

These are just "poor opressed muslems" fighting against "european colonialist opression".

Next we will see anti-globalization activists kidnapping and executing people during WTO meetings. And this will also be labled "freedom fighting" against "evil capitalist opression".


as I always claimed:
Terrorism is just another method of political bartering.
It is wrong and should be clearly made illegitimate.

It should always be condemned. It should always be fought.

Demands by terrorists should never - ever be met. This only legitimizes terrorism as "a method that works".

The same people that use terrorism today to demand things which you think they deserve, will end up demanding what ever they think they can achieve.

STOP TOUTING TERRORISM NOW.

This man speaks as an Israeli, a nation very experienced with pacifying terrorism

[Bosh]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
They should remove the ban regardless of what the terrorists say.

Yeah, its annoying when terrorists start calling for good things to happen.

[:) Smiley]

What is it with the impossibly short deadlines? These guys got no understanding of bureaucracy, eh?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm still wondering what this has to do with Spain.

[Sandman]

What terrorists want is irrelevant. If you set yourself against 'giving in' just because a terrorist group exists, then it's just the same as yielding to their demands.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If these journalists are executed, what would you expect the French Government to do to get justice for their murdered citizens?

A press communication.
After the holidays

[Ned]

I hope that Chirac bends over and takes it from al Qaida. He should utterly and totally capitulate, just as did the Spanish. A head scarf ban is not more important than the lives of a single Frenchman.

Spiffor, you ignore what's important here: France's need to surrender!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Spiffor, you ignore what's important here: France's need to surrender!

Ned, I'm still hoping for the day your worldview will depend on what actually happens in the world.

[Tattila the Hun]

IIRC, there was pressure towards the French Gov to end this (idiotic) ban anyways... But now, they can not do it, without it lookin like giving in...
I can see, that the extremists are fighting against US, UK, and western values/influence in general, but I still haven't figured out, who are they fighting for ?
And a quote from someone, on the tactics of terrorism:
"A terrorist is someone with a bomb, but no air-force"