Rallying Point: Liberty Island - Refugees from Kidatopia, report!

[Velociryx]

Ludd...fire, of course....everybody bring matches and some magnifying glasses....dang, I almost forgot the obvious! Thank ya, Ludd!

Miller, actually, we're fleeing from Kidatopia, to set up our own little Capitalist Enclave...right now tho, we're just figuring out what we got and how to get started. Join us...

Q - Once the batteries run dry on the laptop, we're pretty well toast as far as the networking stuff goes for a while....what we need are specs for 110/120 ACV power so that WHEN we start generating juice, we can create a power supply that will run the computers we DO bring.

Ludd, since Flubber and I are currently nominees (in need of seconds) for the office of the Big Kahuna, would you be interested in the Agro posting? We can sure use it!

-=Vel=-

[Jon Miller]

I would be part of a communist collective as long as I got books, and a net connection

Jon Miller
( supercomputer time might be good also, but I won't press it) (although I might press for a lab)

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
so you guys are forming a communist collective?

cool

Jon Miller

yup and thats what we'll keep saying until kid lets us leave. Then once we are up and running its Liberty island Co or perhaps Floydco, velco and Flubco-- since competition is permitted .

But survival is a necessity first. vel might get jealous of the second story on my hut but he won't try to appropriate it from me . .. instead if we are friend I might help him build his own. If we're not, I'll trade him for some of the fish he caught or something. We will profit share on the crops or pay a royalty to the person that provided the seed-- all good capitalist ideas

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Velociryx

Ludd, since Flubber and I are currently nominees (in need of seconds) for the office of the Big Kahuna, would you be interested in the Agro posting? We can sure use it!

-=Vel=-

I could step aside . I would be looking to get something in the realm of fisheries. I did grow up in Newfoundland after all

[Lawrence of Arabia]

yeah sounds chill. also, those turbines, they spin metal in a coiled magnet and thats what makes electricity.

[Velociryx]

LOL! Yes yes! Good one, Q!

Assessment in Progress:

So far, we got medical covered (Mrs. Flubber)

Agro posting (pending Ludd's acceptance)

Power Generation (LoA)

Scrounging (DF)

good!

You folks who have accepted positions....do a bit of research before we get kicked out of our (soon to be former) homelands, and find out all you can about your areas, especially as they relate to the south pacific....we need to know, as flubber pointed out, what sorts of stuff we can grow in those conditions, and what already grows there....we don't wanna mess up the native plantlife while tending our crops).

So...Immediate needs would be these:

* What would it take to build our own water-driven power generators?

* How far would that be from being able to create a 110/120ACV power supply to run what laptops we bring

* What native plants can we expect to find, and how many are edible

* What sorts of seeds should we bring (based on what will grow there)

* A general list of stuff to bring (we can divide this among those of us fleeing to the island, with built in redundancies in case someone forgets something, or stuff gets confiscated at the last minute)

And what else?

-=Vel=-

[Flubber]

Now would we licence our fisheries or allow everyone free right to fish. I'm in favor of free right but if I own the boat, I would want to charge a fee for use of the boat. Perhaps some electricity if someone else owns the electrical generation. Price to be determined by the relative supply and demand of course.

Obviously aside from boat rentals I would try to diversify my fishing industry by providing a variety of products. Aside from fresh fish I would try to experiment with a variety of value added smoked or salted fish ( I am assuming that freezers would take too much electricity and we wouldn't have any anyway

[Velociryx]

Hmmm...then maybe if we dissassembled the turbines (assuming that somebody on the island knew how to reassemble them) we could get 1-2 out...problem is...unless we set about working immediately to be able to build our own, once those broke down, we'd be done for. Much better if we could figure out a way to generate the juice from stuff we could find on the island...no dependency (since we'd not get help anyway).

-=Vel=-

[Lawrence of Arabia]

carprentry is chill - at home im always working on something. always have crappy power tools tho

[Velociryx]

:: nodding::

The question there is...do you think we'll get to keep the boat?

I'd be willing to bet not, but we'll need Kid to give us a judge's ruling on that. I'm going from the assumption that if we can't carry it, we can't keep it.

Hey...if we keep the boat tho...that's tops!

Where fishing, land use, et. al. is concerned....leave those things for the first Kahuna to work on?

Right now, we'll very definitely have to go barter...an ad hoc economy till we can get the basics nailed down.

Yeah...good point on the freezers....I'm doubting it...which also means no ice. Nor ice cream...yet...

-=Vel=-
/me is allergic to coconuts, by the way...LOL

[Velociryx]

LoA....I'm afraid the power tools would prolly not get much play anyhow...at least in the early days...leave them and bring whatever old school tools you got....

I'd be willing to bet that our island won't be big on metals, so we'll need to think about alternatives FOR our tools once they wear out.

Maybe seashells with serrated edges for saw blades?

Just tossing ideas out here....

-=Vel=-

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Now would we licence our fisheries or allow everyone free right to fish. I'm in favor of free right but if I own the boat, I would want to charge a fee for use of the boat. Perhaps some electricity if someone else owns the electrical generation. Price to be determined by the relative supply and demand of course.

the best way to divide up fisheries is to sell plots of water where fish are to certain fisherman - that way they will protect them and prevent overfishing.

* What would it take to build our own water-driven power generators?

since i dont think we will be able to build dams, we will need to a bunch take small rivers, and using a system of sluice gates and small canals, direct the water to a water mill. the big wheel will turn, the driveshaft connected to it will turn inside a turbine which generates the electricity - those turbines will probably have to be imported because i have no idea how to make one. im trying to remeber how to make a cheap and easy one cuz i once used to know, but now i cant remeber. will have to continue thinking.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

maybe someone else knows, its the same system used in those handpump electric flashlights where you pump the handle and the light goes on. same idea.

as for gasoline, thats no problem. we need about 15 coconuts to make one liter of coco-oil. first you open them, cut out the insides, add water, and smash them so you get like a juice. then you ferment them. then you heat, and strain, and thats your driving gasoline. will we have any cars tho is the question? or engines for that matter?

[Velociryx]

'k....then I defer to you on that....we get juice, then all we gotta do is figure out how to make the power we're generating compatible with the power our laptops need, so we can keep them on.

We'll bring a few spools of Cat-5, and some Linksys or other routers to get a network going (Q - that's your bag, 'k?)....no way to replace the Cat-5 unless DF makes us proud on poker night and requisitions some from the People's Elite, but we'll worry 'bout that as it comes...

-=Vel=-

[Flubber]

Two good bucksaws with some replacement blades
a couple of axes
several buckets
Hammers nails
A lot of rope and a lot of twine (actually very good for building)
Several tarpuleins
various seeds ( according to research)
several nets-- a long handled dip net would be ideal if we don't have a boat-- plus hooks and line
shovels, picks
A wide selection of capitalist reading materials (to save it from the censors elsewhere