Rallying Point: Liberty Island - Refugees from Kidatopia, report!

[Velociryx]

Back up from my nap, and having thought about it some more, here's what I think:

Flubber and I may differ on the timetable, but our goals (and by and large, our methodologies) are the same.

Government auctions of land to individuals (either AS individuals, or in the name of companies) seems to be the way to go, as far as doling out what land there is. (the other way would be a good old fashioned "race" similar to those done in the american west when land grants were given out....could be fun too...

Until the island can be properly surveyed, however, and those plots of land to be auctioned or given by some other means can be properly identified, there must be some brief period of banning together for our mutual survival (that is to say, if we have all come here to make a democratic free market society work, then on day one, we can't have people drifting off and beginning to build houses on land that will later be auctioned off....thus, there is some immediate need for a certain amount of pull-togetherness until at least the basics have been done (surveying the island).

As to the fresh water supply...native islanders have dealt with the problem in some form or fashion, and so shall we...

-=Vel=-

PS to the reds: No....that's not "communist" - nothing wrong with taking an organized approach. Time permitting, we could do the survey and such before landing day, and on day one, could duly start parcing out the land, but I'm assuming with the chaos of the revolution and such, we'll not have that luxury.
-V.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber
** obviously the government would have to have laws prohibiting the cutting of banana trees and laws regarding basic sanitation-- you know don't sh** where you live

There is much to work out

Yes. There is much to work out. You will have trouble working out this sort of thing with the libertarian. Hmmmm.... Vel is the Big Kahuna, but they have the weapons.

{ficticious character on}
I will be watching with delite.
{ficticious character off}

[Lawrence of Arabia]

have we left Kiditopia yet? or are we still in the planning stages incountry?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Yes. There is much to work out. You will have trouble working out this sort of thing with the libertarian.

In discussions, our libertarian seemed very practical. beisdes he will probably decide to take one of the smaller islands as his personal law-free zone

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Flubber


In discussions, our libertarian seemed very practical. beisdes he will probably decide to take one of the smaller islands as his personal law-free zone

You better talk to THEM about taking the SMALLER island.

[Velociryx]

Still planning, LoA....I'm betting that will occupy the greater portion of the thread, because the plan's gotta be rock solid before we implement. With such a small area, and so small a population, we can't afford mistakes, so we gotta play conservatively, and we gotta play cautious (to the worst case scenario).

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Clarification: Vel is one of two Kahuna nominees...neither of which has been seconded.



-=Vel=-

EDIT: Further, Vel was nominated BY "The Libertarian" Next question?

[Kidlicious]

At this point you guys have to be wishing it was the Left trying to create a new society. I'm sure we would do far better than this though.

[Velociryx]

Are you kidding? I hadn't planned on doing this, but I'm having a whale of a time....'sides, we've already got a working model to look at, so it should be along the same principle as "paint by numbers"
-=Vel=-

EDIT: And based on what we've seen so far of Kidatopia, I wouldn't bet on that last part....

[Lawrence of Arabia]

ok ill smuggle out whatever small tools, shovels, hammers, nails rulers, etc (wont be that many cuz we live in a poor country where i cant get what i need). im sure that we can use coral to make sharp edges, etc. and we could prolly do that black market gig also, sounds promising. it would be ultra expensive though, unless he deicded to do it out of the generosity of his heart.

[Velociryx]

LoA - good plan...as to the black market...I'm betting we could convince the leaders OF those markets to cut us some fairly attractive deals, on the thinking that once we're up and running, the level of affluence on the island will be significantly higher than in war-torn Kidatopia, and we'll begin demanding an increasing amount of their products for sale.

And, since Kid was kind enough to not limit us in the *amount* of stuff we can bring, then Flub's plan was right on target with the boat and towing barge, so, tools notwithstanding, we can bring considerable resources together.

For my part, upon sale of the house here and liquidating the assets, I'll book passage on a cargo vessel heading our way, and stow the following supplies on-board: (list is a draft only, and will be modified as I think of additional things to add)


* Three of those Windmills brought to my attention earlier (3000 watts each)
* 2 Short Wave Radios
* 18 Wireless Radios for inter-island communication
* 4 large spools of copper wire
* 1 large spool of cat-5 cable and connectors
* (so far) approximately 20 disassembled geodesic domes with low wattage lighting and photovoltaic outer skins (to provide power for interior low-wattage lighting)
* Seed packs (of a type and configuration yet to be determined)
* Four watertight trunks and one thousand notebooks/three thousand pens
* 500 assorted needles
* 3000' of twine
* 600' of rope
* 1 Case each of nails, nuts, bolts, and screws (assorted sizes)
* CD-ROM's with scanned copies of as many books as I can fit (~200 titles is the target, texts on carpentry, electronics, medicine, agriculture, etc...no novels, just knowledge we may need)
* One laptop computer, and 4 spare batteries (3.5 hour life)

(more to be added later, but that is the bulk of the big stuff)

En route, I shall contact Tubes on the inside, to see if I can arrange payment for contraband tools and such to be deliverd to the island, attempting to time their arrival with, or only slightly later than my arrival, so work can begin immediately on assembling the windmills and get the juice up and running. Will also try to get a lathe and basic woodworking supplies, along with the basic components needed for a bare-bones machine shop up and running.

-=Vel=-
(more meds, and then back to bed... )

[Agathon]

I've always been in favour of exiling all the lunatics to a remote island.


Anyone want to take bets that this one ends up like Easter Island?

[Velociryx]

As soon as the casino is up and running, you're cordially invited to join us, Ag!

We'll take some of the People's Wealth and put it to good use...

-=Vel=-

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Velociryx

Government auctions of land to individuals (either AS individuals, or in the name of companies) seems to be the way to go, as far as doling out what land there is. (the other way would be a good old fashioned "race" similar to those done in the american west when land grants were given out....could be fun too...

Until the island can be properly surveyed, however, and those plots of land to be auctioned or given by some other means can be properly identified, there must be some brief period of banning together for our mutual survival (that is to say, if we have all come here to make a democratic free market society work, then on day one, we can't have people drifting off and beginning to build houses on land that will later be auctioned off....thus, there is some immediate need for a certain amount of pull-togetherness until at least the basics have been done (surveying the island).

As to the fresh water supply...native islanders have dealt with the problem in some form or fashion, and so shall we...

So there's Natives living there, and you're going to divy up and auction off all their land?

'Liberty' island.

[Velociryx]

Based on some of the construction I've seen in St. Augustine, I believe we can use crushed seashells and sand to create a kind of "concrete" by the way, which can be used to create more impressive buildings than our first and 2nd gen buildings (which would be good for the Casino, hotel, and other buildings).

-=Vel=-