John Kerry: Unfit For Command

[Ramo]

Lying about major policy is a big problem, while embellishing a personal anecdote is the norm for politicians. If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Sava
chicken**** chicken-hawkl kerry haters wouldn't know

Neither would the chicken kerry lovers. Let's ask Don.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ramo
Lying about major policy is a big problem, while embellishing a personal anecdote is the norm for politicians.

And our winner for first partisan answer is.....

[Ramo]

And our winner for inane partisan whining is...

[chequita guevara]

Why don't you Repugs show the same outrage for all of Bush's lies?

[KrazyHorse]

So he might have been in Cambodia on Boxing Day instead of Christmas Day?

Nice quibble.

Meanwhile, on that day in Texas Dubya is doing lines of coke off a stripper's stomach while wearing cowboy boots and an American-flag thong.

Sweet.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Why don't you Repugs show the same outrage for all of Bush's lies?

Ogie answered it:

"I assume the partisan answers will hold that its OK if our candidate does it (not that he really does) but its a travesty when the other one does (and besides the other guy does it a lot more)."

So obviously he thinks Kerry's lies would be okay, since he has no problem with Bush's. Right? Oh wait...

[Pekka]

It's funny that same people who are pissed off at Kerry because of getting few medals on injuries that didn't deserve the medals, they're perfectly OK that Bush dresses himself in pilot suit and talks about as if he was actually doing combat missions himself

I know you don't care about my input because I'm not a citizen, but like I said before, cold facts are, Kerry was in, Bush was not, both exaggarated their participation, but at least one of them actually was in there. I would think this is case closed, slam dunk.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Ogie answered it:

"I assume the partisan answers will hold that its OK if our candidate does it (not that he really does) but its a travesty when the other one does (and besides the other guy does it a lot more)."

So obviously he thinks Kerry's lies would be okay, since he has no problem with Bush's. Right? Oh wait...

In reality I think they both suck. I take issue with the media coverage more than anything else.

[chequita guevara]

Well, the media pretty well ignores Bush's lies too.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ramo
And our winner for inane partisan whining is...

I was so hoping for a wittier response than an "I'm rubber your glue" one.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
In reality I think they both suck. I take issue with the media coverage more than anything else.

Yet you didn't take issue with the media giving the administration a free pass wrt to Iraq, WMD claims and intelligence, etc.?

[Imran Siddiqui]

How do you know he didn't?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Whats the difference bewteen a lie, a fib, an exaggeration, knowingly lying, unknowingly lying etc.?

I assume the partisan answers will hold that its OK if our candidate does it (not that he really does) but its a travesty when the other one does (and besides the other guy does it a lot more).

My partisan answer is that it's proportionate to the scope and relevance. Government without a certain amount of lying (especially about sensitive national security issues) is impossible.

On a scale of lies, I find Nixon's drivel about the Watergate coverup worse than Clinton's denials about his lack of taste in trailer trash.

I find LBJ's (even though I like the man overall) lies about his undeniably fraudulent WW2 Silver Star as repulsive as "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy's utterly fictitious account of his wartime service.

I find Ollie North's nearly pathological lying and John "micromanagement is not my style" Poindexter's blanket evasions to have been pretty effective and useful in light of what they were attempting to accomplish.

I find George H. W. Bush's (who I like) "I was out of the loop on that one" denial about Iran-Contra to be pathetic and gutless.

I find George W. Bush (who I don't think amounts to a pimple on his daddy's ass) to be pretty much the same type of self-righteous "if you question anything I say you're a (communist sympathizer or terrorist sympathizer, as appropriate)" approach to lying to be about on a par with Nixon's.

Cheney is a whole different story. At least he has some balls about it - "I had better things to do." At least that's a no-bull**** answer.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
How do you know he didn't?

I was here. But it was a question.