John Kerry: Unfit For Command

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
Kerry will be more and more exposed for the pathelogical liar that he is in the coming months.

If Repugs gave a damn about lying they wouldn't be able to vote for Bush.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
It's sickening, isn't it? The media should be disgracing itself, but the majority of the population will never know about any of this because the same biased media is their only source of information...

Conspiracy theorist.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Damned left wing communist conspiracies. Where's good Ole Sen. McCarthy when you need 'em. j/k

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Face it, the Kerry lied about his involvement in Combodia piece will get about as much play in the 'unbiased' media as the Jamie Gorelick strengthening the wall between CIA and FBI or the Sandy Berger thefts. Much better news stories to be had by attempting to find links in the Abu Ghraib scandal to missives by the admin, how wrong it is for the C-in-C to land on an Aircraft carrier to signal the end of 'official' hositilities in Iraq, or give credence to conspiracy theories centering around how the adminis playing the security alert game in order to drum up support for the war against terror (when in reality its all overblown).

Given that any Cambodia missions at the time are classified, and we're dealing with the pre-GPS era, all we've got is a he-said, she-said pissing match. At worst, Kerry engaged in the sort of self-serving hyperbole virtually all politicians, salesmen, and lawyers engage in all the time. At best, he was in a different part of the boonies than some other people said he was in.

It's not like making a speech about how Saddam had drones that could be launched from ships and flown remotely hundreds of miles to spray bioweapons on American cities.

Or saying that there was no family influence at all in getting into a guard unit flying a non-deployable aircraft type, as opposed to taking your sweet IA prime draft bait ass down to the local MEPS and starting the process of becoming a boonie-humping 11-Bravo like everyone else whose daddy couldn't fix things for you.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Or saying that there was no family influence at all in getting into a guard unit flying a non-deployable aircraft type, as opposed to taking your sweet IA prime draft bait ass down to the local MEPS and starting the process of becoming a boonie-humping 11-Bravo like everyone else whose daddy couldn't fix things for you.

Are you seriously trying to imply there has been little to no media play on this issue?

[MichaeltheGreat]

I think the media play has been proportionate to the relevance.

Frankly, I don't give a **** where in the Mekong delta Kerry was in 1968-69, it was 7,000 miles closer than Bush.

[Kuciwalker]

This thread isn't dead yet?

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I think the media play has been proportionate to the relevance.

Is it ever?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
This thread isn't dead yet?

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I think the media play has been proportionate to the relevance.

Is it ever?

They're all ratings driven corporate whores, so I assume they know how to make money for their masters.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Friggin Commnist Corporations.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

Frankly, I don't give a **** where in the Mekong delta Kerry was in 1968-69, it was 7,000 miles closer than Bush.

I agree. On the other hand I dont particularly care where Bush spent his time either. Depending on how one views it, one may say that Kerry is more brave or more stupid than Bush.

My question is why Kerry did it?

Are we to believe that Kerry was some kind of altruist who wished to serve his country by fighting in Vietnam but who after 3-4 mo combat time and a few scratches takes advantage of a legal but not often used method to leave combat? In my experience, the guys who volunteer for the high-risk units like the swiftboats just dont exercise those kind of options i.e. to quit early (or to come back and back stab those that continue to fight).

Some interesting parallels: wealthy Mass family, joins the navy while country is at 'war', is a young captain of a small fighting vessel, and is decorated for valour while other experienced sailors call the actions foolhardy.

It could be coincidence but, given that Kerry knew the Kennedys personally and his desire to enter politics, I doubt it.

IMO, Kerry saw service in Vietnam as a milestone on the road to political power. Given that opinion, his actions after the fact and his refusal to withdraw his statements in more recent years (when he easily could) makes me wanna puke.

That doesnt demean the fact that he did serve in Vietnam in combat.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Given that opinion, his actions after the fact and his refusal to withdraw his statements in more recent years (when he easily could) makes me wanna puke.

Which statements? Kerry did withdrawl many of his statements about U.S. soldiers in Vietnam and apologized for being so strident in his tone. He was angry young man, after all.

The Cambodia thing is such a meaningless trifle. The point is that U.S. soldiers were in Cambodia when they weren't supposed to be, and Kerry is right about that. MtG himself can back that up. So what's the issue? He wasn't there Christmas Eve in 1968? Well, it looks like they're going to refine the timeline and say he was there in January. If so, big difference, he was wrong on the date. Do soldiers in the midst of combat often get dates wrong?

[Sava]

Do soldiers in the midst of combat often get dates wrong?

chicken**** chicken-hawkl kerry haters wouldn't know

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The date was seared, (seared mind you) into Kerry's memory. I think if he got the date wrong he needs a CAT scan and may need to be disqualified based upon medical fitness.

[Ramo]

Kerry's Christmas Eve diary entry indicates that he was on his way to Cambodia at the time the entry was written, i.e. he'd be there shortly (maybe the same night, who knows). Maybe he fibbed a bit about the date for dramatic effect. I can't fathom how anyone could possibly care about something this inane.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Whats the difference bewteen a lie, a fib, an exaggeration, knowingly lying, unknowingly lying etc.?

I assume the partisan answers will hold that its OK if our candidate does it (not that he really does) but its a travesty when the other one does (and besides the other guy does it a lot more).