Do you keep the Sabbath?

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you not causing that person to "SIN" by eating at that restaurant? I am not saying its a SIN I am just saying people whom say you shouldnt work on the Sabbath should also not prepare a meal or go to a restaurant and have someone else do it either.

Interesting. I had not thought of things that way. I've been a delivery driver and had to deliver food on Sundays when I would really rather not work.

If a Christian ordered food on Sunday, would they be causing me to sin?

We used to have a law like that requiring businesses to close on Sundays, but that got struck down by the businessmen who wanted to work on Sunday, so I'm not so sure that we are causing people who are determined to work on Sunday to sin.

But you have a point, and I don't really see the way around this.

[Ben Kenobi]

I feel that rationality has its limits, that there is something "else", but that I cannot find that with a text, or a particular institution.

Not surprising that you would find rationality uninspiring given your antipathy to Kant.

If you can't find it in an institution, or in a text, where would you find this something else?

[Ben Kenobi]

Religion, in most things, has been repaced by Science and Philosophy as the best coping mechanism.

No wonder why we have had so many more troubles in the last 100 years if this is the case.

[Ben Kenobi]

That it is folly not to allow for the possibility that people may perceive and describe the existence of a force in the universe greater than that which rationality alone can account for.

It makes sense for such a force to exist, but there are real implications if you make this point, Whaleboy.

What would a force that we could not understand fully be like? It couldn't be described by science since science can only work with rational things and not things beyond what we can understand through reason.

[Whaleboy]

Our universe is 10-demensional.

11 if you include superstring theory. For the sake of simplicity, I stick with classic relativity, but needless to say you can take it further, and confuse a lot (more) of people.

If you can't find it in an institution, or in a text, where would you find this something else?

If there is a "god" then he/she/it created me for a purpose, that I can only find by introspection and not some text.

[Ben Kenobi]

If there is a "god" then he/she/it created me for a purpose, that I can only find by introspection and not some text.

So what do you surmise about God, from introspection?

[Whaleboy]

What would a force that we could not understand fully be like? It couldn't be described by science since science can only work with rational things and not things beyond what we can understand through reason.

I don't really think that matters. Sensations as opposed to thoughts.

[Sava]

I find the whole idea to be rather silly... the notion that an all-powerful being wants us to rest one out of seven days...

but then again, most religions are silly...

[Verres]

I usually do absolutely nothing on a Sunday due to being completely tired after the rest of the week - so I suppose one could say I keep it.

When I was at school I did all my work on Sunday as it was the only day when there was nothing better to do....but I didnt enjoy myself at all, so it fits in with the whole self-denial and misery thing

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
I just share because some people get caught up in "RELIGIOUS" activities such as going to Sunday School and then to Worship services, passing by the stranded motorists or poor soul needing help and then on to a restaurant but when it comes to so called "WORK" as a vocation they say "NO" because God intended the Sabbath as a day of Rest?

Ok, what is the difference between the person working bussing tables or cooking the food on a sabbath (be it they be Christian or not) and you actually, say, making a delivery on that Sabbath?

Are youn not causing that person to "SIN" by eating at that restaurant? I am not saying its a SIN I am just saying people whom say you shouldnt work on the Sabbath should also not prepare a meal or go to a restaurant and have someone else do it either.

In Jewish law, you are not allowed to go to a restaurant on Shabbos, since youre not allowed to handle money - transact business on Shabbos.

This does leave the question of "essential" services, emergency room care, police, fire, utilities, etc.

The Rabbinic injunction that its permissible to violate Shabbos to save a life does not help, since many such essential services are not necessary to directly save life, though bad consequences would ensue if they were suspended for 24 hours.

The practice in the diaspora is for an observant Jew to refuse such employment, secure in the knowledge that non-Jews will work on those days. The laws of the Torah are NOT incumbent on non-Jews, so no one is thereby being forced into sin (certain ethical laws ARE incumbent on non-Jews, but Sabbath observance is NOT one of them) Of course Observant Jews may work on Sunday, thus helping non-Jews have a day of rest.

In Israel it is often the case that in some essential instituions all or almost all employees are Jews. As a practical matter observant Jews refuse such employment secure in the knowledge that non-observant Jews will perform such work. However this IS causing others to sin. At least one Orthodox Jewish thinker in Israel has called for a revision of Jewish law, so that Orthodox Jews WOULD accept such employment, so that they not push others to sin .

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


But you have a point, and I don't really see the way around this.

Have your shabbos meal at home?

[KrazyHorse]

Ignore a silly old tradition?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Ignore a silly old tradition?

Shabbos - try it, you might like it

[Ben Kenobi]

Have your shabbos meal at home?

But if I declare cooking to be work for others, then I have to cook the day before.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sensations as opposed to thoughts.

Not sure what you mean by this.