Do you keep the Sabbath?

[Odin]

I'm Agnostic, I don't need no stinkin' holy day!

I'm not religious, but I'm not agaisnt other people having religious beleifs, but I think a persons beleifs should be personal and unique. I dislike organized religions, everyone should develop their own personal religion or spiritual or moral code.

[Whaleboy]

Odin:

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I feel that rationality has its limits, that there is something "else", but that I cannot find that with a text, or a particular institution.

EDIT: and I'm not "against" people having religious beliefs, in the same way that I'm not "against" commies - I think they have a right to it, but I disagree completely and find it rather foolish.

[Whaleboy]

Fair enough, but seeing as I haven't explained myself and you know nothing of me, perhaps it is a latter fast of you to jump to that conclusion? I, myself, do not generalise on such things and endeavor to treat people as individuals, not symptoms.

[Kuciwalker]

I treat you as an individual who HAS symptoms

[Whaleboy]

Touché

Of what?

[Kuciwalker]

Religion

[Whaleboy]

As opposed to? I dont think it's wise to pigeon-hole people, even to such vague concepts as "religion" itself.

[Kuciwalker]

Specifically, you've become religious (after having been an atheist!) because you "feel there is something 'else'." It's the same foolishness that leads to a ton of other New Age stuff.

[Whaleboy]

Why is it foolishness?

[Kuciwalker]

Because it's completely ungrounded and based on the same sort of emotion that makes little kids scared of the dark.

[Whaleboy]

How do you know that in my case? How do you know that it isn't a thought-out process, and though perhaps not mathematically logical is conceptually logical? Perhaps my emotional disposition is a contributing factor, but not the? How can you be so certain of the reasoning, when you merely have the conclusion?

[Kuciwalker]

Because I've argued with people who said the same thing before

And because "feeling there is something else" is an emotional justification.

[Whaleboy]

Because I've argued with people who said the same thing before

I guarentee that won't work with me

And because "feeling there is something else" is an emotional justification.

Wrong. To feel is a measure of ones peception, just as to touch something is to perceive it sensually. Where a rational thought gives you something to perceive, you can work upon that and conceptualise further upon an individual basis. What I mean is that if I borrow a phrase from one of our old debates, my "internally consistent logic" (qualitative) will not go for another person, so the only way we can debate this, and not merely describe it, is to allow for it to occur. I think you will agree that is the case, and that surely therefore it is not an erroneous thought, if ever there were such a thing, I am yet to find it.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I guarentee that won't work with me

Average debate: the "feeling" that there must be something "else" arises out of some sort of wonder and the mystery of the universe (or life, or whatever) and basically devolves into something similar, if not exactly a god in the gaps argument.

Wrong. To feel is a measure of ones peception, just as to touch something is to perceive it sensually.

Generally one's emotional perception (though "perception" is perhaps not quite the best word in this case, as it isn't exactly an outside influence but rather one generated by the wholly irrational portion of your mind).

Where a rational thought gives you something to perceive, you can work upon that and conceptualise further upon an individual basis.

Huh?

What I mean is that if I borrow a phrase from one of our old debates, my "internally consistent logic" (qualitative) will not go for another person, so the only way we can debate this, and not merely describe it, is to allow for it to occur.

Logic is universal.

I think you will agree that is the case, and that surely therefore it is not an erroneous thought, if ever there were such a thing, I am yet to find it.

That what, exactly, is the case?