Do you keep the Sabbath?

[Whaleboy]

Generally one's emotional perception (though "perception" is perhaps not quite the best word in this case, as it isn't exactly an outside influence but rather one generated by the wholly irrational portion of your mind).

On the contrary, I think perception is the perfect word here. I am perceiving something, and yet I cannot explain it, I can rationalise the possiblity of its existence. You need to define "irrational" here, and not merely as the antithesis to rationality. Furthermore, I think that if you are going to introduce the notion of utter irrationality into a universe you yourself admit is rational, then you have provided a conclusion that contradicts one of its own premises.

Huh?

I mean we all perceive things differently. I really am a poster boy for cognitive relativism . I might see something profoundly related to my existentialism where you might see a coincidence and our respective reactions are accordingly cool for both of us.

Logic is universal.

Let's not go down this path again . Standard logic breaks down in two places, 5-dimensional space and the human mind, quantitively and qualitatively respectively.

That what, exactly, is the case?

That it is folly not to allow for the possibility that people may perceive and describe the existence of a force in the universe greater than that which rationality alone can account for.

[St Leo]

The Sabbath was probably introduced as an early workers' rights legislation by the religious authorities. It is very much obsolete now that we have proper workers' rights laws.

Atheism.

[Shogun Gunner]

I LOVE Black Sabbath...

I AM IRON MAN

[Odin]

Originally posted by Whaleboy

Standard logic breaks down in two places, 5-dimensional space and the human mind, quantitively and qualitatively respectively.

Our universe is 10-demensional.

[Odin]

I think religion started when we became intelegent enough to fear what we did not not understand. It was a positive coping mechanism, compared to, say, suicide, which is obviously a BAD coping mechanism. Religion, in most things, has been repaced by Science and Philosophy as the best coping mechanism.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
On the contrary, I think perception is the perfect word here.

I was speaking of perception as in perception of emotion, based on the fact that generally "feel" in that context refers to an emotion. If this is some sort of actual sensory perception, then the parenthetical doesn't apply anyway.

I am perceiving something, and yet I cannot explain it, I can rationalise the possiblity of its existence.

Possibility? Of course it exists if you perceive it ("it" being that which you perceived, not necessarily what you think you perceived ).

You need to define "irrational" here, and not merely as the antithesis to rationality.

The part of your mind that generates your emotions has no founding in logic - while logic may be used to determine which emotions you feel, the mapping of perceptions to emotions is arbitrary.

Furthermore, I think that if you are going to introduce the notion of utter irrationality into a universe you yourself admit is rational, then you have provided a conclusion that contradicts one of its own premises.

The universe is rational? Huh?

I mean we all perceive things differently. I really am a poster boy for cognitive relativism . I might see something profoundly related to my existentialism where you might see a coincidence and our respective reactions are accordingly cool for both of us.

I think I agree with you, though not your conclusion. We "perceive" the same thing, but our brains represent it differently and I must assume our minds represent it wholly differently (such that no meaningful communication could be made directly between them), but that does not mean we should not arrive at the same conclusions from the same perceptions. Even if my mind represents red light with what your mind uses for blue, it doesn't change the fact that if we see a blazing red thing we shouldn't conclude that there's a fire

Let's not go down this path again . Standard logic breaks down in two places, 5-dimensional space and the human mind, quantitively and qualitatively respectively.

Huh?

Logic is universal. Give me one circumstance in which P -> P is false, and you'll convince me to the contrary.

That it is folly not to allow for the possibility that people may perceive and describe the existence of a force in the universe greater than that which rationality alone can account for.

Oh, I'm quite aware that they do that. I also think those people are incorrect.

[lord of the mark]

Shabbat observance - we light candles, say kiddush and motzi for Friday night shabbat dinner, probably about 3 out of 4 shabbats. Go to shul Saturday AM probably about that often. Go on Friday nights less than once a month. Occasionally make Havdalah, but not very often.

Dont go to the office - if theres a need to go on the weekend, go on Sunday, unless absolutely necessary. Try to avoid heavier chores on Saturday - if must do chores on shabbat, than do on Saturday afternoon. Dont watch TV on shabbat, but will do must other leisure activities. Do drive on shabbat, and not just to shul.

[lord of the mark]

Even if I had no belief in G-d, it would be hard to give up Shabbat. Its a chance to not just not work, but to make a change from other aspects of time, to stop and reflect, break the ordinary run of the week. On those rare occasions when Im able to come closer to a strict shabbat, with no electronics, no chores, no running around, only spiritual and related intellectual or family activities, its very refreshing.

Selection A.

'A 20th century Jewish philosopher, Mordechai Kaplan, compared our rest on Shabbat to an artist, in the course of his or her work. Kaplan also didn’t say “her,” when he wrote this in the early 20th century, although, at the end of his life, which almost spanned the century, he became an active feminist, as did the Reconstructionist movement, which is based on Kaplan’s thought. Whether he or she, the artist, while painting on a canvas, will pause, step back, and, in Kaplan’s words, “freshen his vision of the object, the meaning of which he wishes to express on his canvas.” “The Sabbath,” Kaplan continues, “represents those moments when we pause in our brushwork to renew our vision of our object,” that is, of our lives. '

Selection B.

'Since its original publication in 1951, Abraham Joshua Heschel's classic of Jewish spirituality has been read by thousands of people seeking meaning in modern life. Heschel, one of the most widely respected and loved religious leaders of the twentieth century, introduced, in this brief yet profound meditation of the meaning of the Seventh Day, the enormously influential idea of an "architecture of holiness" that appears not in space but in time. Judaism, he argues, is a religion of time, finding meaning not in space and the material things that fill it but in time and the eternity that imbues it, so that "the Sabbaths are our great cathedrals."

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't really have a Sabbath per se. I'll rest on the weekends, but I could also do work. And it isn't to honor God (which I do believe in being a Deist). I'm in the same boat as Whaleboy in that I believe that some of those things which cannot be explained (like 'Why are we here') come from some divine source. I have no idea whether it is in the shape of man or a light or simply a force and make no judgments on that.

[Starchild]

When necessary I will alter my habits in such a way as to facilitate rest and alteration from established routines. These days mostly but not entirely coincide with the Sabbath due to cultural institutions.

[Skanky Burns]

I work Saturdays and sometimes Sundays as well. The pay is better.

[Az]

@Whaleboy.

New age crap.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I work Saturdays and sometimes Sundays as well. The pay is better.

"I once was an explorer, to africa I went, when shabbos hungry lions, came zooming round my tent! My assistant grabbed my rifle, go goomber shoot those pests but instead I invited them to be my shabbos guests!


Chorus:
Ain't gonna work on Saturday
Ain't gonna work on Saturday
Double, double, triple pay
Won't make me work on Saturday
Ain't gonna work on Saturday
It's Shabbos Kodesh


I'm big Gedalia Goomber, I'm not exactly small,
But really not so very big, just seventeen feet tall.
I'm really rigged for working, for that I'm very fit,
Six days a week I'm at it, and on the seventh day I quit.

I once helped raise a building, and on the 100th floor,
I was carrying a load of bricks, an easy ton or more.
And here it's late on Friday, I knew I'd have to stop,
So I yelled, "watch out below!", and let the whole thing drop.

At driving a locomotive, I thought I'd take a crack,
I had the throttle wide open, zooming down the track.
And here it's almost Shabbos, the sun's about to set,
So I dove into a mudhole, and the train is running yet.

I worked down in a coal mine, and lost myself alright,
I couldn't tell the days apart, because there was no light.
So I set myself to digging, just as fast as you may please,
And I popped up in an hour, where the people speak Chinese.

I worked at Cape Kennedy, and things were going right,
A great big rocket ship was set, on the launching site.
And here it's getting dark, Shabbos was coming soon,
So I pushed the starting button, and spent Shabbos on the moon.

I turned to deep-sea diving, and took an awful chance,
On a sunken steamer's deck, I got caught by my pants.
And trapped beneath the ocean, I couldn't set me free,
But I went home for Shabbos, and dragged the boat with me.

i once was on a baseball team, Shomer Shabbos was its name,
the score was zero zero, in this exciting game,
then i was up to bat, and shabbos was coming soon,
So i hit that ball so very hard, it landed on the moon.

I dress my best on Shabbos, three meals I feast me fine,
I make a royal Kiddush on a barrel full of wine.
And when I sing my Zmiros, for a thousand miles they know,
That I'm enjoying Shabbos, for Hashem has told us so.

Once to split the atom with effort I had learned
Suddenly there was a blast! Boy did I get burned
Everyone was worried but the doctors I did tell
"That by keeping Shabbos Holy I would soon be fit and well! '

[lord of the mark]

Why Shabbat

From the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaismhttp://www.uscj.org/Why_Shabbat5193.html

[KrazyHorse]

Do you keep the Sabbath?

I keep it real.