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and if anyone should have a problem with steroid rules changing, it should be jan ulrich, who was caught and banned for a year, yet no one ever says that. thye arer all convinved that armstrong cheats, but he has never been caught once in 6 years.
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Another rule change was the 2 minutes 30 seconds team time trial time loss cap.
Why? Because he didn't win the prelim?everyone's saying that lance is looking weak this year, and that beloki, hamilton, heras, and ulrich are much stronger.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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yep. and that was the rule i was talking about the 2.30 tteam time trial - how exactly does it work
also, armstrong finished in the peloton again today, along with all his rivals. now hes fourth overall. hopefully, jan ulrich and tyler hamilton and beloki all fall in the next state which has cobblestone streets and armstrong can win easy (you'll lose at least 2 minutes getting your tire repaired if its punctured.)"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Ahem, Lawrence, in case you missed it, Beloki isn't even taking part this year.
And, um, Armstrong isn't gonna do **** until the mountains/time trials. Him being fourth doesn't mean anything whatsoever (yet). Not to mention fixing a tire takes only a handful of seconds, since they just stick in a new one. And even if they'd lose minutes, you can be sure their teams will get them back in the peloton before the race is over.Comment
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really? i was reading everywhere that he was in the race. thats good.
and yeah, he wont do anything, but even a 30 second lead on his opponents going into the mountain stages will be good.
but you do have to drop outta the peloton, stop the bike, get off it, take off the tire, put the new one back on, start up again, and catch up. if the peloton is going fast enough, and if some of the team is out of position, it could be huge."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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You must be reading the wrong things, unless you're mixing him up with Santiago Botero:Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
really? i was reading everywhere that he was in the race. thats good.
and yeah, he wont do anything, but even a 30 second lead on his opponents going into the mountain stages will be good.
Well, theoretically speaking, every second is good, but I don't think that will make a whole lot of difference. Certainly this year with the time trial on Alpe d'Huez.
And the team time trial may already give him such a 30 second lead.
but you do have to drop outta the peloton, stop the bike, get off it, take off the tire, put the new one back on, start up again, and catch up. if the peloton is going fast enough, and if some of the team is out of position, it could be huge.
I really can't see that making much of a difference, unless it's very windy. And that can be bad enough even without a flat tire if you end up in the wrong, um, what do you call it, wave? Or if it's near the end of the stage and the peloton is racing to the finish at full speed, but then there isn't much time to be lost anyway.
Oh and by the way, about the team time trial rules. I didn't actually know about that until you mentioned it, but you can find the official rules at http://www.letour.com
The rule basically put a cap on how much time the teams can lose. The team that finishes second can lose at most 20 seconds, the team that finishes last can lose at most 3 minutes... Stupid rule indeed.
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I must retract my earlier statements. The Postal team (soon to be sponsored by someone else) appears just as strong as ever. Clearly, the team time trial rules were meant to make the race more of an individual thing as opposed to a team thing. If the rule had been in place last year, Armstrong might not have won, but most likely he still would have. (Ulrich pushed too hard in the rain and crashed. Would he have pushed that hard had he been 10 seconds closer? Who knows?)“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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Isn't Hamilton 33? 8 wins, starting when he's 35, would be quite an achievementOriginally posted by Drake Tungsten
The ideal result would be for Lance to win this one and next year's. Then, Tyler Hamilton would begin his streak of 8 wins in 2006.
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Has anyone ever won the T d F who was not the best hillclimber? Lamond maybe?We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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What dod you mean by the best hill climber? There is a special jersey (red polka dot) for the best climber and the winner of the tour rarely wins this.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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The red polka dot is the best climber on paper. The reason Armstrong and the others are contenders for the Yellow jersey are because they are de facto the best hill climbers. Thats why the T d F doesnt really start till they get to the mountains. It was the same way with Indurain.
IIRC Lamond was OK in the mountains but won on the flats. That was certainly true on his last victory.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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Well then, you've answered your own question then.
Who is Axel Merckx? Is he the son or something of the famous Eddy?
Iban Mayo had a disaster. After Dauphin Libere, I thought he had a good chance to challenge Armstrong in this race, but 4+ minutes at this point will be very hard to make up.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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It's for mountain sprints, not finished stages or time in the mountains.Originally posted by pchang
What dod you mean by the best hill climber? There is a special jersey (red polka dot) for the best climber and the winner of the tour rarely wins this.
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He excelled on the flats, but won only by staying close enough in the mountains to put his max effort into the team time trials and flat stages - it's more of an energy management issue than his lack of ability to climb with the best of the contenders.Originally posted by SpencerH
The red polka dot is the best climber on paper. The reason Armstrong and the others are contenders for the Yellow jersey are because they are de facto the best hill climbers. Thats why the T d F doesnt really start till they get to the mountains. It was the same way with Indurain.
IIRC Lamond was OK in the mountains but won on the flats. That was certainly true on his last victory.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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That's not quite true. Indurain hammered everyone in the time trials and got along on the mountains. But he left the hard work there to the real mountain goats. Ullrich and Riis are kind of like him in that respect. Pantani was a real hill climber. Armstrong is the odd one here, he can do both.Originally posted by SpencerH
The red polka dot is the best climber on paper. The reason Armstrong and the others are contenders for the Yellow jersey are because they are de facto the best hill climbers. Thats why the T d F doesnt really start till they get to the mountains. It was the same way with Indurain.
IIRC Lamond was OK in the mountains but won on the flats. That was certainly true on his last victory.
You can't win a Tour in the flat stages, only lose it (as has been demonstrated today with Mayo)... I guess I'm going to have to take back what I said earlier, though it wasn't a flat tire that did it.
Yep.Originally posted by pchang
Who is Axel Merckx? Is he the son or something of the famous Eddy?
Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
It's for mountain sprints, not finished stages or time in the mountains.
It's for Richard Virenque.
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