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[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Now on the other hand, the Vorlons may have a better chance of beating the Borg. The Borg were rather ineffective against Species 8472, which uses advanced organic technology for their ships and weapons.

They use nanite bombs to kill them now thanks to Janeway.

[GePap]

Yes, but 1. the shadows have nanotechnology as well-2. the vorlons are not even really organic anymore-they can't be assimilated.

as fr St Leo:

How much has governance changed in the last 200 years? Not that much.

[Jon Miller]

How much has governance changed in the 200 years before that

a lot

Jon Miller

[GePap]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
How much has governance changed in the 200 years before that

a lot

Jon Miller

in 1604 we already had parliments and courts. We still have monarchs even today.

Yes, there has been huge changed, but not as much as ST's governance has-more importantly, the biggest change was the increasing power of the masses-whether through democracy or demagogic regimes. What has changed is mass politics and no longer rule by an oligarchy. BUt much of the same politicking remains, as well as alliences between the economic and political powers.

[Saint Marcus]

Yes, but 1. the shadows have nanotechnology as well-2. the vorlons are not even really organic anymore-they can't be assimilated.

Humans have nanotechnology as well. So what? Shadow nanotech isn't nearly as advanced as Borg nanotech. And the Vorlons themselves might not be assimilated (though the Shadows certainly can be), but they can certainly be killed, and their organic ships might be assimilated (depends on how vorlon organic tech and species 8472 organic tech match up).

[Saint Marcus]

Yes, there has been huge changed, but not as much as ST's governance has

The Federation's governement is a democracy, just like we have today. And there are senators as well. Little has changed in the governement. It's the society that has changed considerably (mainly thanks to replicators...communism thanks to technology), but not the governement in itself.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


Humans have nanotechnology as well. So what? Shadow nanotech isn't nearly as advanced as Borg nanotech. And the Vorlons themselves might not be assimilated (though the Shadows certainly can be), but they can certainly be killed, and their organic ships might be assimilated (depends on how vorlon organic tech and species 8472 organic tech match up).

How on earth do you figure Shadow nanotech is less advanced? They use it at least in their planet-killer, while the borg seem to use it only for assimilation.

I don't think the Vorlons ships are as organic as species 8472.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by GePap


How on earth do you figure Shadow nanotech is less advanced? They use it at least in their planet-killer, while the borg seem to use it only for assimilation.

I don't think the Vorlons ships are as organic as species 8472.

Shadows are clearly less advanced than the Vorlon -- as evidenced by the the apparent Vorlon supporiority of Vorlon ships over shadowvessels in the one real engagement shown in the series, and by the amount of effort required to kill an individual Vorlon (Kosh, both times), as opposed to killing an individual Shadow (the final confrontation between Mr. Morden and Londo).

They do make up for it in numbers.

[Saint Marcus]

How on earth do you figure Shadow nanotech is less advanced? They use it at least in their planet-killer, while the borg seem to use it only for assimilation.

Because assimilation brings much greater rewards than destruction. With every species the Borg assimilate, they get stronger. Using planet-killers to destroy whole planets doesn't make one stronger.

Species 8472 however, does destroy entire planets.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Yes. The first time around. The second time around, the Borg will have adapted, and ISD turbolaser will be utterly useless. The Borg will disable the ISD, board it, and turn all your little clone soldiers into Drones. They'll make a fine addition to the collective.

The borg obviously can't adapt to infinite amounts firepower - otherwise, 8472 wouldn't be such a threat. Since en masse even the comparatively low firepower of Federation starships can overwhelm the Borg, an Imperial fleet would have no problem. Not to mention the fact that if the annihilate the ship in their first encounter, the rest of the Borg won't be adapted.

Plus, an ISD has a crew of over 40,000 - including 9,000 stormtroopers. Given the how absolutely pathetic the Borg ground tactics are, I'd say they have no chance of assimilating an ISD, at least not in a reasonable period of time.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Because assimilation brings much greater rewards than destruction. With every species the Borg assimilate, they get stronger. Using planet-killers to destroy whole planets doesn't make one stronger.

Species 8472 however, does destroy entire planets.

Being more useful doesn't make it more "advanced". Moreover, planet-killing, while it doesn't make you stronger, it makes your enemies a LOT weaker.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Kucinich
Given the how absolutely pathetic the Borg ground tactics are

But they'd be up against storm troopers.

[Saint Marcus]

Given the how absolutely pathetic the Borg ground tactics are

compared to Storm Troopers, even the Borg look good!

[Docfeelgood]

How did humans get so far out in space where no man has gone before?

Star Trek writers sucs

[DRoseDARs]

God, we're back on the Star Trek vs Star Wars crap again... Give it a rest, will ya's?