Star TreK Enterprise

[Al B. Sure!]

Stargate is kind of weird cause they've 'deified' alien weapons. the asgard could just wipe out everything? I mean on a number of episodes, they just zapped away entire armies of Guoald/Jafaa and whole pyramid ships. and the replicators are unstoppable... even the Guolad now, under Anubis, have those invincible warriors.

the problem with Gouald, Replicators, and Asgard technology is that it's so advanced that they have no counter to humans with our relatively primitive weapons. One of the asgard mentioned how our M-16's and P90's were effective because they were so primitive.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
What language do you speak? "point five past light speed" implies 1.5 times the speed of light. Show me something to the contrary written by George Lucas.

Perhaps every single piece of SW literature ever written?

Perhaps the fact that the movies directly contradict your interpretation - yours requires that the SW universe have a diameter about two or three times that of our solar system. The scene aboard the medical frigate in TESB clearly contradicts this.

Perhaps the fact that if they wanted to say "1.5 times the speed of light", they wouldn't say ".5 past light speed" but rather something like "1.5 c"?

Actually they can and there have been a number of episodes in which they did, but if you whoosh past someone while you're in warp and he's not you're not going to get many shots in. Dealing with ships which are not warp capable ST ships can drop out of warp, fire, then go back into warp before the slower opponent has a chance to fire back.

Do you want to get into the efficacy of ST weapons against SW ships, and vice versa? Suffice it to say that while a single salvo from one of an ISD's five-gun turbolaser batteries would bring down Enterprise-E's shields, the E-E would not have a similar effect on an ISD. How difficult do you think it would be for the ISD to shoot at the ship during the few seconds it was in realspace?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kucinich

Do you want to get into the efficacy of ST weapons against SW ships, and vice versa? Suffice it to say that while a single salvo from one of an ISD's five-gun turbolaser batteries would bring down Enterprise-E's shields, the E-E would not have a similar effect on an ISD. How difficult do you think it would be for the ISD to shoot at the ship during the few seconds it was in realspace?

See, how do you know this? You "know" this becuase some ubernerd went through dozens of books and movies and came up with 'calculations' of all sorts-both a massive waste of time, and also silly, since:

1. Who cares about the books?
2. The writers of both the books and shows/movies did not give a rats ass about science (though this is truer for SW than ST), so some nerd trying to figure out what was meant by guys who never meant anything is just absurd.

[Kuciwalker]

Not books. Straight from canon:

In the episode "The Survivors" a 400 GW blast penetrates the shields of the Enterprise and forces Picard to flee. It takes a LOT more than 400 GW to vaporize a 10-20 meter asteroid in a fraction of a second, meaning that a turbolaser is at least 1000 times the power required to penetrate ST shields.

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The reference to a 10-20 meter asteroid is the TESB scene where Vader's ISD's vaporize asteroids with their turbolasers.

[GePap]

Sorry, but nowhere in the movies in SW do they say it takes 400GW's to blast apart an asteroid-you know why? cause I doubt Lucas knows what 400GW's are

That is the point-Lucas shows what he shows purely in terms of making a movie, while the writers in ST at least know what a watt is. Which is why they don't have the crap they do in SW.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Kucinich

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
What language do you speak? "point five past light speed" implies 1.5 times the speed of light. Show me something to the contrary written by George Lucas.

Perhaps every single piece of SW literature ever written?

......and these pieces of literature were written by whom? They're about as official as fanfic posted on the internet.

Perhaps the fact that the movies directly contradict your interpretation - yours requires that the SW universe have a diameter about two or three times that of our solar system. The scene aboard the medical frigate in TESB clearly contradicts this.

Perhaps the fact that if they wanted to say "1.5 times the speed of light", they wouldn't say ".5 past light speed" but rather something like "1.5 c"?

.....because Han is an uneducated ruffian who has limited language skills? [/QUOTE]

Actually they can and there have been a number of episodes in which they did, but if you whoosh past someone while you're in warp and he's not you're not going to get many shots in. Dealing with ships which are not warp capable ST ships can drop out of warp, fire, then go back into warp before the slower opponent has a chance to fire back.

Do you want to get into the efficacy of ST weapons against SW ships, and vice versa? Suffice it to say that while a single salvo from one of an ISD's five-gun turbolaser batteries would bring down Enterprise-E's shields, the E-E would not have a similar effect on an ISD. How difficult do you think it would be for the ISD to shoot at the ship during the few seconds it was in realspace? [/QUOTE] Like I said, the ISD would have to HIT the Enterprise, a feat virtually impossible to accomplish using a sub-light weapon against a ship moving FTL. All Starfleet would have to do is transport a medium sized nuke into the center of an ISD to blow it in half. Even if an ISD is up to 6 km long, the blast radius of a present day medium sized thermonuclear weapon would be sufficient to rip an ISD apart. Imagine what an anti-matter based weapon would do.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
......and these pieces of literature were written by whom? They're about as official as fanfic posted on the internet.

I suppose Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn, specifically approved of by LucasArts, does not bear any weight at all?

.....because Han is an uneducated ruffian who has limited language skills?

from the official SW website:

Solo eventually joined the Imperial Academy, to better himself and his piloting skills. Solo's mentor during his Academy days was Badure, or "Trooper" as he was known. During a training drill, Han performed a daring landing maneuver with an aged U-33 transport that earned him the nickname "Slick." Sometime during his military career Han Solo earned the right to wear the Corellian Bloodstripe.

"Uneducated" = went to the Imperial Academy?

He's definately not "uneducated" about starships, as is obvious from the modifications he's made to the Falcon.

Like I said, the ISD would have to HIT the Enterprise, a feat virtually impossible to accomplish using a sub-light weapon against a ship moving FTL. All Starfleet would have to do is transport a medium sized nuke into the center of an ISD to blow it in half. Even if an ISD is up to 6 km long, the blast radius of a present day medium sized thermonuclear weapon would be sufficient to rip an ISD apart. Imagine what an anti-matter based weapon would do.

You get an F for not remembering that you can't transport through shields. Another F for assuming that a ship coming out of warp would be going near c, and that the ship could actually get a lock. Plus, phasers fire at sublight speeds too.

Anyways, this dispells your idea that it would work.

[GePap]

[Kuciwalker]

I learn from you, GePap :P

[DinoDoc]

Lasers wouldn't effect ST shields at all. Therefor the Empire wouldn't stand a chance.

[Kuciwalker]

1) The FACT is, that that comment was made in ONE TNG episode, ("The Outrageous Okona") with ships having laughably unpowered lasers. Picard didn't even bother RAISING shields. In "Conundrum," the FACT is, the Lysian lasers poised enough of a threat that Picard raised FULL FORWARD shields. This disproves the statement above completely, that "..navigational shields are IMMUNE to lasers. Lasers of ANY power." If this were true, WHY were the defensive shields of the E-D raised if the NAVIGATIONAL SHIELDS could render "LASERS OF ANY POWER" harmless?

(from the sw vs st site)

2) The Empire doesn't use lasers

[Verto]

Arguing over the science, physics and technology of Star Wars and Star Trek is not only pointless, but detracts from what we should be doing: worshipping The Kirk.




Or...FLASHBACK!

[Kuciwalker]

Kirk

[Verto]

The Enterprise






The Enterprise-A

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kucinich
2) The Empire doesn't use lasers

Show me something from the movies (nerdy websites or books don't count they aren't canon) that shows they aren't what they say they are turbolasers.