UN Slams Israel's killings of civillians - Only USA not in favour of vote.

[The Mad Monk]

It's the cheering that's doing the powering.

[The Mad Monk]

(Of course, better to find a solution that does not cost the blood of thousands)

Emigration.

[Agathon]

If they stopped their terrorists attacts, the Israelis would pull out. And they are being treated like crap because the constantly target innocent civilians...

Pure rubbish. They've been treated like crap no matter what they do.

[The Mad Monk]

Then they should leave, and find a better place for their children.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Agathon
Pure rubbish. They've been treated like crap no matter what they do.

Hmmm... maybe it has to do with the cowardly terrorist attacks. Please explain how it's always the Pals that break the cease fires. You haven't addressed that point yet... I wonder why

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Emigration.

Would you give in to Al Qaeda so easily too?

[Agathon]

But this this isn't fifteen years down the track, it's fifty.

It's time to move on.

It's now. They are living in refugee camps now, and dying now. The fact that they have been doing so for nearly 40 years is of no moment. They have been wronged. Your solution requires that we turn a blind eye to atrocities.

I have to laugh at the righties here. You are totally out of arguments. You have nothing, nothing at all. This is even worse than usual. Go on, post some pictures of Ronald Reagan, that'll teach me.

Israeli actions are indefensible because they are in the wrong. The fact that a few Palestinians revenge themselves on civilians is neither here nor their. You simply cannot deprive an entire people of their property, dignity and civil rights and expect them not to come after you with knives and bombs. And compared to the dispossession and death suffered by the Palestinians, Israeli casualties have been negligible.

I love the excuses here. The Israelis are not the bad guys because they aren't targeting civilians. That's total rubbish, they do so when it suits them (like the other day). Terrorism is the weapon of the poor, they use it because they have nothing else. There's no Israeli "virtue" here, they just have more weapons.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Agathon
The fact that a few Palestinians revenge themselves on civilians is neither here nor their.

First.. it's more than a "few"... more like many different dedicated groups of terrorists... whose sole purpose is to destroy Isreal.

The majority of Pal's want peace... but these groups are making that impossible. The blame lays solely on the backs of the terrrorists... who don't care that Isreal will retaliate for the cowardly attacks they make.

I love the excuses here. The Israelis are not the bad guys because they aren't targeting civilians. That's total rubbish, they do so when it suits them (like the other day). Terrorism is the weapon of the poor, they use it because they have nothing else. There's no Israeli "virtue" here, they just have more weapons.

You are the one supporting terrorists... I'm supporting peace. So where is your moral high ground

I love how you keep making execuses for people who specifically target innocent children and women... and how you defend their actions under the lame excuse that they have nothing else. What about a cease fire and serious peace talks... hmmm, sounds like a better option to me...

And just what has the cowardly weapon gotten them so far... even their arab brothers have denounced their terrorism... you seem to be the only person defending the specific killing of innocent women and children.

[Agathon]

Hmmm... maybe it has to do with the cowardly terrorist attacks. Please explain how it's always the Pals that break the cease fires. You haven't addressed that point yet... I wonder why

You have no point.

Always the Palestinians. Sometimes it is Hamas or Islamic Jihad which have their own interests in escalation. They are not "the Palestinians" - they have their own agenda. Often this happens because Israel promises X and doesn't deliver. For the Israelis pretending to do something is an option, which it isn't for the Arabs.

And in the present situation we know exactly who is at fault. Sharon took that walk on the Temple Mount with the sole intention of provoking another uprising. That action has resulted in more death and destruction than any other, and he knew that it would.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The Israelis have always been shooting Arab civilians. The fact that some Arabs want payback is a natural consequence of this. Israel is a democracy which has refused to do anything about the Palestinian situation. The Israeli public has no more right to consideration from the Arabs than South African whites did from the blacks.

Of course the usual crap you get in response to this is "but they aren't responsible". Of course they are, it's a democracy - everyone is responsible - (even those who didn't vote for it) because the agreement in a democracy is that everyone goes with the majority. The alternative is that no-one is responsible. But of course that is rubbish. The Israelis have kept these people under Apartheid for years and most don't seem to care (there are a few dissenters).

[Sandman]

Why should Palestinians emigrate and not Israelis?

[Ming]

I at least admit that both sides are at fault and that the violence must stop before peace has a chance.

You are the one supporting one side vs the other when both are in the wrong... and that it's OK for people to make cowardly attacks against women and children. You don't seem to see anything wrong with this... yet you attack Isreal for doing the same thing.

So what's you point?

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Sandman
Why should Palestinians emigrate and not Israelis?

Because they're the ones who are suffering the most, apparently despite the fact that the Palestinians supposedly cause so much more suffering towards the Israelis...

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Gibsie


Would you give in to Al Qaeda so easily too?

No, but we're dealing from a position of strength.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Gibsie


Because they're the ones who are suffering the most, apparently despite the fact that the Palestinians supposedly cause so much more suffering towards the Israelis...

No, because they're operating from an unworkable position. If all-out war broke out, not only could they not win, they could not hold. The Arab states don't care about them, except as a propaganda chip to keep their own populations angry at Israel instead of themselves; Europe, for all its bluster, will do nothing, and the rest of the world has too many troubles of their own.

All they can do at this point with their current course is make the average Israeli hate them, and they are doing that very well indeed.

It's time to fold.

[Jamski]

The percentage of Palastinian attacks against purely civilian targets is far higher than the Israelis... so you are incorrect in your perception.

All Israeli attacks are against civillians. Either you have the Palastinian freedom fighters as terrorists, or as soldiers. You can't have it both ways.

There IS no such thing as a Palastinian millitary.

-Jam