UN Slams Israel's killings of civillians - Only USA not in favour of vote.

[The Mad Monk]

What happened to them was terrible, and at the time Steinbeck wrote the novel they were still in those godawful conditions -- which is, of course, why he wrote it.

What I am asking you is, where are they now?

[The Mad Monk]

But what does that have to do with Palestine? Unless you subscribe to some weird Hegelian account of history, it's not the case that mindless economic forces or natural disaster forced the Palestinians into refugee camps, the Israelis did and are the one's keeping them there (or bulldozing them out).

Mindless economic forces did not force the Okies into camps either -- Californians did.

[The Mad Monk]

What eventually happened is that they moved on, found new lives, and flourished...elsewhere. The best thing the Palestinians could do for their children is exactly that.

[DinoDoc]

The question you people should be asking Agathon and the people who believe as he does is if he truely believes that a just cause justifies killing as many civilians as possible. Because if he answers yes, I don't see how any of you can have a debate with him because you'd have 0 common ground at all from which to discuss.

[Pax]

It makes no sense for the Isreali's to say they are not going to give the land back because of the Palestinian tactics. Which came first. The Suicide bombing or the occupation. The Suicide bombing is a response to the occupation.
The question should be asked is who here does not believe the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves in the few methods available to them. If you protest their methods then you should equip and train them to be able to fight the Isreali's on a level playing field.

[Agathon]

What eventually happened is that they moved on, found new lives, and flourished...elsewhere. The best thing the Palestinians could do for their children is exactly that.

So did the Jews who fled from the Nazis and from other pogroms. And that, in your mind. magically makes it right? Come on, you've said some stuff I disagree with, but this is morally repugnant.

There was nothing inevitable about what happened to the Okies. They were victims of the weather and of a poorly organized society - the latter is not immortal or immutable. What would you say now if while you were being forced from your home I told you that it would be OK 15 years down the track? You'd probably hit me.


Oh and @ Skywalker. That tripe isn't worth a response. In fact it's typical of your posts lately which seem to have sunk to the level of irrelevant hair splitting or straw men. Surely you can do better...

[The Mad Monk]

But this this isn't fifteen years down the track, it's fifty.

It's time to move on.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
But this this isn't fifteen years down the track, it's fifty.

Should have said it to the Zionists, "Com'on, it's a couple of thousands of years. Time to move on."

[The Mad Monk]

Back then, I probably would have.

[Zevico]

It makes no sense for the Isreali's to say they are not going to give the land back because of the Palestinian tactics. Which came first. The Suicide bombing or the occupation. The Suicide bombing is a response to the occupation.

Suicide bombing in this case is irrelevant. Terrorism is what you should be speaking of-and that existed before the Six Day War (to say nothing of the inception of the state itself). Your point is therefore null and void.
Let me try and get this through your head. Suicide bombers and their supporters don't want to end the occupation of post 67 captured lands, they want to destroy Israel. They won't stop killing Israelis if Israel pulls out, just as they killed as Israelis before 1967.
edit: bah.

[Zevico]

Should have said it to the Zionists, "Com'on, it's a couple of thousands of years. Time to move on."

Learn some history, please. If Jews weren't killed just about everywhere they went, they would have assimilated ages ago.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
If the United States starts to back the Arabs or stops backing the Israelis, I suspect a war coming soon

I think for the people in the region they might say that there is a war already going on

The middle east was always going to be a flash pan for global instability, sadly we are the ones who threw the first stones

[Jamski]

Bloody good story Aggie

I haven't seen ANY of these fascist dicks come up with any good arguments except to pick at a few corners.

Guess even a conservative can realise they're wrong sometimes.

Monk, Dino, Skywalker, Ming. You have been OWNED



-Jam

[DinoDoc]

Based on what? I don't really see the need to seriously debate someone (this includes you) who places such importance on the concept of jus ad bellum while completely ignoring jus in bello because I have no possible common ground with them from which to debate.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Jamski
Bloody good story Aggie

I haven't seen ANY of these fascist dicks come up with any good arguments except to pick at a few corners.

Guess even a conservative can realise they're wrong sometimes.

Monk, Dino, Skywalker, Ming. You have been OWNED



-Jam

I did more than pick at it -- I gave an actual situation where Americans were thrown off land that had been in their families for generations, and eventually resolved the situation not by commiting mass murder, but by going elsewhere and building new lives.

...but go ahead, declare victory as you retreat.