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UN Slams Israel's killings of civillians - Only USA not in favour of vote.
What happened to them was terrible, and at the time Steinbeck wrote the novel they were still in those godawful conditions -- which is, of course, why he wrote it.
What I am asking you is, where are they now?
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
But what does that have to do with Palestine? Unless you subscribe to some weird Hegelian account of history, it's not the case that mindless economic forces or natural disaster forced the Palestinians into refugee camps, the Israelis did and are the one's keeping them there (or bulldozing them out).
Mindless economic forces did not force the Okies into camps either -- Californians did.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
What eventually happened is that they moved on, found new lives, and flourished...elsewhere. The best thing the Palestinians could do for their children is exactly that.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
The question you people should be asking Agathon and the people who believe as he does is if he truely believes that a just cause justifies killing as many civilians as possible. Because if he answers yes, I don't see how any of you can have a debate with him because you'd have 0 common ground at all from which to discuss.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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It makes no sense for the Isreali's to say they are not going to give the land back because of the Palestinian tactics. Which came first. The Suicide bombing or the occupation. The Suicide bombing is a response to the occupation.
The question should be asked is who here does not believe the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves in the few methods available to them. If you protest their methods then you should equip and train them to be able to fight the Isreali's on a level playing field.
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What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
What eventually happened is that they moved on, found new lives, and flourished...elsewhere. The best thing the Palestinians could do for their children is exactly that.
So did the Jews who fled from the Nazis and from other pogroms. And that, in your mind. magically makes it right? Come on, you've said some stuff I disagree with, but this is morally repugnant.
There was nothing inevitable about what happened to the Okies. They were victims of the weather and of a poorly organized society - the latter is not immortal or immutable. What would you say now if while you were being forced from your home I told you that it would be OK 15 years down the track? You'd probably hit me.
Oh and @ Skywalker. That tripe isn't worth a response. In fact it's typical of your posts lately which seem to have sunk to the level of irrelevant hair splitting or straw men. Surely you can do better...
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
But this this isn't fifteen years down the track, it's fifty.
Should have said it to the Zionists, "Com'on, it's a couple of thousands of years. Time to move on."
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It makes no sense for the Isreali's to say they are not going to give the land back because of the Palestinian tactics. Which came first. The Suicide bombing or the occupation. The Suicide bombing is a response to the occupation.
Suicide bombing in this case is irrelevant. Terrorism is what you should be speaking of-and that existed before the Six Day War (to say nothing of the inception of the state itself). Your point is therefore null and void.
Let me try and get this through your head. Suicide bombers and their supporters don't want to end the occupation of post 67 captured lands, they want to destroy Israel. They won't stop killing Israelis if Israel pulls out, just as they killed as Israelis before 1967.
edit: bah.
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"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
Originally posted by Nuclear Master
If the United States starts to back the Arabs or stops backing the Israelis, I suspect a war coming soon
I think for the people in the region they might say that there is a war already going on
The middle east was always going to be a flash pan for global instability, sadly we are the ones who threw the first stones
'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
Bush's Republican=Neo-con for all intent and purpose. be afraid.
I haven't seen ANY of these fascist dicks come up with any good arguments except to pick at a few corners.
Guess even a conservative can realise they're wrong sometimes.
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Based on what? I don't really see the need to seriously debate someone (this includes you) who places such importance on the concept of jus ad bellum while completely ignoring jus in bello because I have no possible common ground with them from which to debate.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by Jamski
Bloody good story Aggie
I haven't seen ANY of these fascist dicks come up with any good arguments except to pick at a few corners.
Guess even a conservative can realise they're wrong sometimes.
Monk, Dino, Skywalker, Ming. You have been OWNED
-Jam
I did more than pick at it -- I gave an actual situation where Americans were thrown off land that had been in their families for generations, and eventually resolved the situation not by commiting mass murder, but by going elsewhere and building new lives.
...but go ahead, declare victory as you retreat.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
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