UN Slams Israel's killings of civillians - Only USA not in favour of vote.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

"Military" warehouses? Were on earth did you pull "military" out off?

I didn't. You're making up things I said again. Twice in one thread...

I smell the edit function

It's about time you came up with that. I was about to jump on you for missing the most obvious bull**** excuse you could come up with.

And do you have an answer to it?

[Drake Tungsten]

How so?

Do you know how much money ten day's salary is? That's a little over 900 US dollars for me, at current exchange rates...

I smell the edit function

Yes, yes, accuse someone of DanSing you when your own lack of reading comprehension is the problem...

[GePap]

re your

Yes

Any counter to the dowry explination?

Or simply smuggling deals going on?

[Drake Tungsten]

I would reply to you, but why bother? You'll just accuse me of calling for the genocide of all Arabs or something and, when I point out that I said no such thing, you'll complain about me editing my posts...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Do you know how much money ten day's salary is? That's a little over 900 US dollars for me, at current exchange rates...

Nice to hear you are reasonably well paid. But you are a citizen of a first world country, residing in another first world country. You can your bloated living standard (no offense, mine is just as bloated) not compare with the simpler standard these people have in their third world country. Who can live for $100 a month, can afford to gift ~30 of them. Not every month of course, but a wedding is not the 37th birthday of Mr. Nobody, and I would expect people to save a bit for it. Also. like GePap pointed out, people with low salaries tend to have other sources.

[Drake Tungsten]

Wouldn't the fact that I make a comfortable salary in a first-world country make it more likely that I could afford to give ten day's worth of my salary as a wedding gift? How is it reasonable to assume that poor, third-world Iraqis can give that much of their income as a gift when I can't?

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
None of this, in any way, backs up the unfounded assertion that there were "hundreds" of people present.

It's not an assertion, it's a vague estimate. Please learn the difference. Do you really think that a wedding having lots of people at it is an unlikely occurrence? Personally I find it extremely unlikely that in a country that seems very community and family-based, where you can have 20 people from the same family living under the same roof, that there would be less than 100 people present a a wedding... hundreds though? Maybe, maybe not. But please keep sticking your fingers in your ears and dismissing absolutely any possibility that doesn't fit in with a terrorism-based explanation regarding the possible origins of finding $1000 in Iraq.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by East Street Trader
As a matter of interest, Sirotnikov, what do you make of the fact that 14 of the 15 nations making up the security council voted in favour of a resolution critical of Israel's actions in the Gaza strip?

And what will be made of it in Israel more widely?

Will it be noticed at all?

I make of it, that the europeans have gone from one extreme (waging non stop bloody wars on each other) to the next (complete and total hippi attitude) as over compensation.

France just wants oil deals and is frankly a poor excuse for a permanent council member.

The arab countries are obviously anti-Israeli. As is Russia and China which are historically pro-Arab.

African countries are just glad they are not being criticised for their lack of democracy, civil rights abuses or what ever.

USA needs to show some discontent with Israel, while it uses exactly the same measures. It accidentally hit a wedding, but that's alright as it was based on intelligence, and the Iraqis are probably lying. As if Israeli strikes are not based on intelligence, and the palestinians have not lied about death figures or whether or not the people were militants.


Do you remember reading a thread on the OT about the massacare in southern sudan?
Did the UN talk about it?
DId it get anything over 10 seconds on CNN?

nope.

And that was about hundreds of thousands of people, who are ethnically cleansed by an Arab muslim country.


However, when the Palestinians are touched - nothing happens.


Two weeks ago, during a limited routine ground operation to destroy tunnels (just like poly tubbies wanted - "only target the militants. get in and out.") and IDF engineering APC was hit.

Its explosion resulted in 6 soldiers' body parts flying all over.

Did you know what the pals did? collected them, and demanded ransom or held on to it as trophies.

Do you know how much airtime this story had on CNN or BBC? none. "6 Israelis and 7 Pals die in Gaza clashes. And in other news...".

This was an Israeli choise however. In order to prevent the family members pain, they asked the foreign networks not to show videos of the body parts (some of them - like heads, are recognizable). So the networks just dropped the story alltogether.

Why was the security council never alerted to that?

[Drake Tungsten]

Do you really think that a wedding having lots of people at it is an unlikely occurrence?

At a collection of warehouses in bum-**** Egypt on the border of Syria and Iraq? At a location that the US military believed was a crossing point for foreign fighters infiltrating Iraq? A location where the U.S. military claims to have engaged insurgents and to have found weapons, large amounts of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio? Yes, that strikes me as a very unlikely occurrence. I'm probably just being silly, though...

[Gibsie]

Probably, but this is just a guess and not an assertion.

[Drake Tungsten]

Point taken...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Wouldn't the fact that I make a comfortable salary in a first-world country make it more likely that I could afford to give ten day's worth of my salary as a wedding gift? How is it reasonable to assume that poor, third-world Iraqis can give that much of their income as a gift when I can't?

As I said, you have unproportionally higher expenses than people in the 3rd world. These people don't have to pay for cars, plane tickets, air conditioned appartments, computers, communications etc. You may get 27 times more than they get. But after all you pay all expenses, the remainder won't be 27 times of that what remains for them. Many of them live in their own hut. Do you? Many of them grow their own food to have it cheaper. Do you? Look, if I have a (poor) living for free, and (again poor) food too, I don't need the little money I get to secure my living and can afford to give a bit of it away. It's supposed to be a wedding, that's always special. Also, as stated, many of them smuggle or have similar unlawful incomes. Poverty does this.

[Jamski]

I'm 37. I understand the difference.

Suicide bombers are not civilians, anymore than WWII Japanese Kamakazies are.

Kamakazis were serving soldiers in the Japanese Air Force != Civillians
Palestinian Suicide Bombers are bakers and farmers etc == Civillians

Jamski - tell me , how much time have you spent researching fundamentalist Islam? How much time have you spent researching terrorist movements? How much time have you spent researching Palestinian leadership or society?
my guess is none. You probably read an article or two on your favourite newspaper.
And yet you speak with such certainty about the motives behind Jihad, whether suicide bombers are religious or not, what do they want to achieve and so on.
It sounds to me like you're bull****ting.

In hours? Probably 2-300. The benefits of unemployment is lots of free time to read stuff that interests you.

-Jam

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
How could you tell it's a combat situation before you look?

Usually, people shooting at you is a good indication...

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
The whole of Iraq is in a remote desert location as far as I'm concerned. Who has a wedding on a yacht? Who has a wedding on a mountain? People have weddings wherever they see fit.

Except in tradition-bound areas like the middle east, where weddings probably occur in whatever village is in the heart of your clan holdings.