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UN Slams Israel's killings of civillians - Only USA not in favour of vote.
Why should we "respect" their customs wrt firearms?
1. Because it's their country.
2. Because it's their country.
3. Because the U.S. allowed them to have firearms.
4. Did I mention it's their country.
What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
The current Israeli leadership seems very hard nosed.
Reflecting Israeli attitudes generally if the young Israelis who post here are any guide.
So I doubt that the US abstension will give them pause.
Sad to say it is quite certain they will ignore the 14-0 vote by the other members of the security council.
There can be nothing wrong with the rest of the world trying to influence the Israelis and the arabs encouraging them to find ways to get along. So I am in favour of such resolutions.
But it does also seem to me that the US and others (including the UK) - but particularly the US - should now make a conscious effort to withdraw from all attempts to influence the way the conflict plays out.
Arabs believe that US support buttresses Israel. And they may well be right.
If the US ended all and any aid to Israel - military and otherwise - and ceased to employ political influence in her favour then I rather think one source of tension would be removed.
It has been noticeable for quite some years now that the arab states neighbouring Israel do not themselves cause trouble. They all recognised Israel's right to exist some time ago and their actions (or inactions) seem to show that they are genuine in this. I do not believe that a withdrawal from this particular arena by the US would lead Syria and others to resile from their stance.
And even if I am wrong the balance of military power has not changed. Perhaps it would over time if the US did not prop up the Israelis but that would take quite a while.
What would happen, I think, is that the present Israeli government, and all those in Israel who seem intent on following the most aggressive route open to them, would have to think very hard about what they are doing.
Conceivably their confidance would be sufficiently shaken that they would be willing to take note of the hatreds which their hard nosed lines create and continue.
It is worth trying.
The disaffection felt by a lot of arabs with their own governments is a very disruptive thing in the world right now. Diplomats might be well advised to consider what, if anything, others can properly do to lessen or remove it. And this does seem to me to be one thing. And a very proper one too, if it subsequently allows the US to vote on things like this resolution in accordance with the nation's conscience rather than according to the dictates of a (failed) real politick.
Originally posted by Kucinich
Even if they think they're in a combat situation?
How could you tell it's a combat situation before you look?
Originally posted by Kucinich
I really have no sympathy for idiots who do things like this.
You mean the US soldiers? I concur.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Did everyone miss the article I posted that questions whether this was a wedding at all? Or are ya'll just ignoring it?
Ignoring it, because they said the same thing wrt to the incident in Afghanistan.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
Originally posted by Kucinich
I missed the part where you explained why we need to respect their customs wrt firearms.
Translation: you don't care what they think.
This is the sort of idiocy that leads to problems the US is facing around the globe.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
Originally posted by Jamski
Yeah, there's this little thing called the Bible that says a load of crap too, but no one does what it says in there. What was your point?
Holy sh*t. You really do believe these guys are blowing themselves up for religious reasons, don't you?
They just want their country back
-Jam
In order to have a country back, you must first have a country.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
Iraqi outrage continued Thursday over the American missile strike on the desert camp in the country's western desert region.
Amid funerals for the victims in Baghdad and in Ramadi, the nearest city to the strike, families angrily denied that the gathering had been anything other than a wedding.
The Associated Press quoted a man identifying himself as Madhi Nawaf, a shepherd, as saying that his daughter and at least one grandchild had been killed.
"Where are the foreign fighters they claim were hiding there?" he said. "Everything they said is a lie."
Among the dead, according to several reports, was a popular wedding singer who lived in Baghdad.
But at a time of heightened sensitivity in Iraq over American military actions, General Kimmitt said this did not appear to be the case in the attack on Wednesday. The raid was conducted, he said, on the strength of intelligence on a route, which he called a "rat line," suspected of being used by foreign fighters entering Iraq.
"This operation was not something that just fell out of the sky," he told reporters. "We had significant intelligence."
In addition to finding weapons, troops at the site, near the village of Makr al-Deeb near the Syrian border, said they had also found Syrian currency, along with about $1,000 worth of Iraqi dinar.
Maj. Gen. James Mattis, the commander of the First Marine Division responsible for the remote stretch of desert where the strike was carried out, asked, "How many people go to the middle of the desert 10 miles from the Syrian border to hold a wedding 80 miles from the nearest civilization?"
At a news conference in Falluja, west of Baghdad, he said that two dozen men of military age were among those killed.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
Jamski - tell me , how much time have you spent researching fundamentalist Islam? How much time have you spent researching terrorist movements? How much time have you spent researching Palestinian leadership or society?
my guess is none. You probably read an article or two on your favourite newspaper.
And yet you speak with such certainty about the motives behind Jihad, whether suicide bombers are religious or not, what do they want to achieve and so on.
I would further like to note, that Arab news sources have a tendency to fake newspieces. Just like funerals were faked around Jenin, or stories are being faked in Iraq.
I've seen footage of how AlJazeera fake a story about a supposed "kid fighter" in Iraq, whose whole family was killed by the Americans, and he grabs an AK47, a truck and goes to avenge his family.
The moment the AlJazeera camera was turned off, people started screaming for the boy to stop driving the truck, and the truck was returned to its true owners.
As a matter of interest, Sirotnikov, what do you make of the fact that 14 of the 15 nations making up the security council voted in favour of a resolution critical of Israel's actions in the Gaza strip?
And what will be made of it in Israel more widely?
Originally posted by Jamski
Yeah, there's this little thing called the Bible that says a load of crap too, but no one does what it says in there. What was your point?
Judging by this quote I'd bet you have never spent any meaningful amount of time in an Arab country. These people take their religion VERY seriously. We haven't seen similiar levels of blind belief and devotion in the west since the middle ages.
It also doesn't help that the education level is so abysmally low in the Arab world. Even the "educated" people all to often have simply attended religious indoctrination camps. There is a real darth of critical thinking skills here.
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