CanPol: Conservative Platform

[Ben Kenobi]

GST? No. I happen to think it is a very good tax. *ducks*

The gun registry? It's a goner, definitely.

See, isn't this much more fun? Finding stuff we can agree upon.

What about killing EI premiums?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




See, isn't this much more fun? Finding stuff we can agree upon.

What about killing EI premiums?

Yes, much more fun.

What do you mean by 'kill premiums'? You mean like turn it into welfare, or make premiums match payouts over a reasonable cycle so that the EI fund is no longer a source of revenue for other programs?

[Ben Kenobi]

make premiums match payouts over a reasonable cycle so that the EI fund is no longer a source of revenue for other programs?

Yup.

That's the miracle of Martin.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Yup.

That's the miracle of Martin.

That then would fall under the rubric of smaller, and better, government.

[notyoueither]

Also, fraud prevention.

[Ben Kenobi]

What about Health Care?

Would there be provisions to increase the autonomy of the individual provinces? To allow them to decide which services will be provided publicly, and which will not?

[notyoueither]

I'd like to see more than that in health care. We need to do more than rearrange the deck chairs as the Titanic sails towards the iceburg.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well what are your thoughts?

Health Care's not my forte.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What do you mean by 'kill premiums'? You mean like turn it into welfare, or make premiums match payouts over a reasonable cycle so that the EI fund is no longer a source of revenue for other programs?

Kind of pointless then isn't it? What you end up with is a mandatory savings plan.

We could create a true insurance plan. If you draw unemployment benefits then the next time you're working you pay, say $5 more a week in premiums. If you haven't been on EI for the past 5 years then you pay a little bit less.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well what are your thoughts?

Health Care's not my forte.

I'm not an expert either, but examining the methods of systems that cost less per person and deliver better results would be a good place to start.

Drop both the ideological 'privatise it all!' and 'profit is EVIL!' crap.

[Ben Kenobi]

Tingkai:

As opposed to the current policy where you put money in and never see any of it?

Give me a proper savings account any day.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Kind of pointless then isn't it? What you end up with is a mandatory savings plan.

We could create a true insurance plan. If you draw unemployment benefits then the next time you're working you pay, say $5 more a week in premiums. If you haven't been on EI for the past 5 years then you pay a little bit less.

Actually, it is supposed to be No Fault Insurance, but for jobs.

I have no problem with it. BTW, I have to pay in matching funds plus for every dollar an employee is deducted.

What I have a problem with is the fund being picked when the feds need a few dollars for programs other than what the legislation was passed for.

[Ben Kenobi]

but examining the methods of systems that cost less per person and deliver better results would be a good place to start.

Drop both the ideological 'privatise it all!' and 'profit is EVIL!' crap.

Yeah, competition can actually improve coverage, and services, rather than destroying the system. The same is true that there are benefits to having the government manage certain portions of health care, such as what will be covered, and what will not.

What about limitations to access? Medicare was never really intended to apply to everyone, but just those who had no other means.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Tingkai:

As opposed to the current policy where you put money in and never see any of it?

Like auto insurance if you never have an accident.

Unemployment can be majorly more severe than a fender bender.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yeah, but many who have put in money, when they become unemployed, do not meet the EI standards.

Thus, they put money in, but can't take any out, even when they are unemployed.

Plus, they overpay, since much of the money that would otherwise be there for them to help them through unemployment feeds 'general revenues'.