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  • Originally posted by Park Avenue
    Do you really want to legitimise deviant forms of human behaviour by saying "well, other animals do it"?

    Wow, you're good at selective reading. You managed to miss that it wasn't claiming "being gay is OK because it's natural", but rather a refutation of the claim "being gay is bad because it's unnatural".

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    • Don't you tempt me, Spiff...
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      • Originally posted by Park Avenue
        Most murderers, rapists and paedophiles (a sexual orientation, like homosexuality) will probably tell you thy felt compelled or forced to do what they did. So are their acts not wrong either?
        Desiring to murder someone isn't a crime. Acting on that desire is a crime, not because it is natural or unnatural, but because it violates another's rights.

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        • Didn't chose my sexual orientation, near as I can recall.
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          • Sexual orientation only becomes a choice if you "choose" to be gay. Straight people are normal, thus it wasn't a choice.

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            • since heterosexuality and homosexuality are both sexual orientations, one cannot be a choice and the other not -- if you insist that homosexuality is a choice, then heterosexuality must be a choice as well.
              Conveniently neglects my argument.

              You don't get to choose the attractions.

              Whether you act on the attractions or not is an entirely different matter.

              So tell us your story -- what day did you wake up one morning and decided that you would choose to be a flamboyant straight person??
              I've always felt attracted to women, but I have yet to act on those feelings to their fullest extent.
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              • Didn't chose my sexual orientation, near as I can recall.
                Ya, it deosn't really make sense psychologically htta someone would choose what turns them on. That's not really a conscious choice.
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                • Originally posted by SlowwHand
                  MrFun. Before you dismiss me as being insulting, you might need to realize the full ramifications of my point.

                  Man is the only species with advanced reasoning abilities; the ability to make decisions, to choose.
                  If other animals are known to exhibit seeming homosexual behavior, does that not indicate that it's not a choice, but rather a mindset with which one is born ?

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                  You misread my post -- I was not insulted by your original post with your point.
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                  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                    Conveniently neglects my argument.

                    You don't get to choose the attractions.

                    Whether you act on the attractions or not is an entirely different matter.



                    I've always felt attracted to women, but I have yet to act on those feelings to their fullest extent.

                    It seems that you're being belligerent in ignoring my point that even with the choice to act, it's the person's right to conscience.

                    Theological laws in United States to deny a person's right to conscience is unconstitutional.
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                    • Originally posted by Park Avenue
                      Caligastia



                      Most murderers, rapists and paedophiles (a sexual orientation, like homosexuality) will probably tell you thy felt compelled or forced to do what they did. So are their acts not wrong either?



                      I really get tired of this blatant fallicious argument in lumping homosexuals in the same group with criminals when homosexuals.


                      I also get tired of the dehumanizing, degrading, obsessive, reductionist focus on the sex act that is only a part of an intimate, loving relationship between two people.
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                      • well those crimes are wrong because it involves unwilling partners.

                        and in pedophilia, its still wrong because it involves partner that is unable to make that kind of decision.*

                        so homosexuality isnt in the same league.
                        :-p

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                        • The problem is that we should not even be discussing pedophilia at all since it's not related to the issues concerning sexual orientation.
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                          • I think the argument can be made that an uncontrollable attraction to children is similar to an uncontrollable attraction to members of one's own gender...
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                            • Id hit drake . . . with a club.
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                              • Gays cannot control themselves?


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