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Originally posted by Havak
Special note for Caligastia – the fibre comes from all the hops and is very good for the digestion – as your significant other seemed to note.
Nice. I pity British wives.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Originally posted by Havak
I remain hugely concerned about Dally leading the boys and Clive's selection policies. My honest expectation is to see them lose all three by 7-10. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a walloping in one.
I think that's a fair assessment. I honestly don't know what to expect from the ABs. Leaving the trial game form aside, because it can be meaningless, their personnel won't be all that different from the World Cup team. The question is, will they now have what they lacked in the World Cup - a plan B? And perhaps the most important question - will Henry start Mehrtens?
It is a huge test for the Boks - can I remind you that the Irish were the first side to beat the reigning world champions this year. The Boks bets hope is that Ireland think they are playing France - they never turn up mentally for that fixture. Then again the rock hard surfaces might help too?
They will be interesting contests. I hope they're televised here!
*edit* I should also say that if we do lose all three I fully expect Clive to come out and accuse both NZ and Australia of cheating.
Shortly before or after you do?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by Havak
Did you note I am (realistically I believe) predicting an unsuccessful tour for England?
I think it's a test of those players whom, I believe, J**** bonded and lifted beyond their God-given capabilities.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
As far as the ABs go...I'll get to see a (very) delayed broadcast of their trial match this weekend.
Good. I missed the first half and the first ten minutes of the second half. Didn't know it was being telecast! So I missed seeing Carlos in action for the Probables. I gather the Probables were seriously outplayed in the first half and Carlos was less than impressive. I only saw Mehrtens, and thought he did well. Let me know what you think of the first half in general and Carlos in particular.
But be prepared for some absolute crap set pieces from both sides.
Oh, and keep an eye out for Rokococo's try late in the second half. Dodgy in the extreme. Ultimately, it won them the match, and saved face for the Probables.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Yes, well they aren't exactly bringing down their best are they?
Some very good players are missing through injury (Wilkinson, Smith, Rowntree, Moody) – and some very good players are missing because Clive has lost the plot (Healey, Goode). He is bringing Chris Jones (played off the park by Neil Back last weekend) and Joe Worseley (played off the park by everyone since November) though so everything is all right (in Clive’s head)
Then again Finbar has been accusing us of being third best in the NH for a while now – even he can’t now accept Henry’s attempt this week to make the ABs underdogs?
Can even Henry mess up the chances of that pool of talent at home against a weak England side? Well actually…if anyone can he can.
The question is, will they now have what they lacked in the World Cup - a plan B? And perhaps the most important question - will Henry start Mehrtens?
Good point - Henry loves structure. Plan A will have every player knowing the plays to the 10th phase (so can he risk playing Carlos?) but whether he will have a plan B – the Lions and Wales evidence suggest not.
I think England’s best chance has to be muscling it up front. We will still be fielding an extremely strong pack, particularly if he plays Hill-Dally-Corry in the back row, and NZ have looked attackable there. The same is true for Australia with them picking a prop with just one season of S12 under his belt – they need to exploit his inexperience if they can.
They will be interesting contests. I hope they're televised here!
Fingers crossed – Sky is carrying them here so the Murdoch empire has hold of it somewhere.
Shortly before or after you do?
That would be telling. You noted I did not say he would be wrong.
No, seriously, it is going to be a tough tour. Let us hope it produces the same five year improvement the 98 shambles did.
I think it's a test of those players whom, I believe, J**** bonded and lifted beyond their God-given capabilities.
Well yes…and no. Our forwards are very good regardless. He may have galvanised them but they remain a comparative match ability wise for anything in the world. It’s all about whether Dally can bond a ‘team spirit’ across the 22 in the way Jonno did. Thus far he has been found wanting.
Interesting to see you talk of crap set pieces – an avenue of hope perhaps…
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Originally posted by Havak
and some very good players are missing because Clive has lost the plot (Healey)
Typo!
Then again Finbar has been accusing us of being third best in the NH for a while now – even he can’t now accept Henry’s attempt this week to make the ABs underdogs?
J'accuse? No fear. It's fact! Look at the table after the 6 Nations!
Good point - Henry loves structure. Plan A will have every player knowing the plays to the 10th phase (so can he risk playing Carlos?) but whether he will have a plan B – the Lions and Wales evidence suggest not.
Yes, the whole Carlos/coach nexus is an interesting one. I say again, Mehrtens did well when I saw him in the trial match. He seems to be fitter than he was, putting himself into the game more often, making the occasional linebreak. And their World Cup problem was, apart from lacking a Plan B, their Plan A didn't work against anyone who get into their faces and stayed there.
I think England’s best chance has to be muscling it up front.
Frankly, I think it's your only chance.
Well yes…and no. Our forwards are very good regardless. He may have galvanised them but they remain a comparative match ability wise for anything in the world. It’s all about whether Dally can bond a ‘team spirit’ across the 22 in the way Jonno did. Thus far he has been found wanting.
J**** aside, I'm not sure they're as strong - read capable - as they were in November, but we shall see. And The Nose will never engender the spirit that J**** did. Never ever. A capable, barging #8, a year or so past his best, IMHO.
Interesting to see you talk of crap set pieces – an avenue of hope perhaps…
Well, they were crap. Hookers couldn't find jumpers, and scrums were shoving all over the place.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Caught the last ten minutes of Scotland -v- Samoa. Why didn't I know it was being televised! Anyway, Scotland won 38-3, and apparently played their best of the tour thus far. OTOH, apparently, Samoa were very disappointing. So who knows what the win means? They tackle the Waratahs 2nd & 3rd XV next week.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Good. I missed the first half and the first ten minutes of the second half. Didn't know it was being telecast! So I missed seeing Carlos in action for the Probables. I gather the Probables were seriously outplayed in the first half and Carlos was less than impressive. I only saw Mehrtens, and thought he did well. Let me know what you think of the first half in general and Carlos in particular.
Will do.
But be prepared for some absolute crap set pieces from both sides.
Oh, and keep an eye out for Rokococo's try late in the second half. Dodgy in the extreme. Ultimately, it won them the match, and saved face for the Probables.
From the sound of things, it did little in the way of saving face for them. I'll make my mind up after seeing the game though.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Originally posted by finbar
Caught the last ten minutes of Scotland -v- Samoa. Why didn't I know it was being televised! Anyway, Scotland won 38-3, and apparently played their best of the tour thus far. OTOH, apparently, Samoa were very disappointing. So who knows what the win means? They tackle the Waratahs 2nd & 3rd XV next week.
How similar was the Samoan team to the one that held England at bay for most of that RWC match last year?
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Not a typo at all. I understand Austin has also already signed to be Public Relations Manager for Wallbies-Lions 2013.
J'accuse? No fear. It's fact! Look at the table after the 6 Nations!
A harsh and cold hard fact that leaves us with the frightening conclusion that NZ and Australia are ranked 4th and 5th in the World!
Or do you deny England are ranked ahead of both in the IRB rankings?
And their World Cup problem was, apart from lacking a Plan B, their Plan A didn't work against anyone who get into their faces and stayed there.
And whatever qualities he may lack Mouth does have the ability to switch gameplans – even when that meant hiding at fullback and booming the ball up field?
Apparently his selection fro AB duty has terminated his deal with us – lucky escape or tough luck for us?
Frankly, I think it's your only chance.
I’d like your take on the fly half, Charlie Hodgson. Been plagued by injury but very good IMO. Needless to say other than him our tried and tested backline is as good as those of, um, Wales!
A capable, barging #8, a year or so past his best, IMHO.
I agree. Never the same since his crucian ligament went. Number 8 is a tough position. Corry has become a blindside these days. Jones plays there but does not impress. Probably Balders (or Judas as we now call him) who has moved to *spit* Glaws is the best young number 8 in the country. But he was kept out of our starting XV by two lads who can switch from 6 to 8 more readily – and that seems to be the way modern rugger has gone?
‘Capable’ is a better word I think – one I am more likely to agree with. Let me run it down position by position. Woodman – penalty leaking machine still. Thommo – world cup hangover lasted through the season as did the pie baggage. White – actually one of the changes that will help as has been playing better than Vickery all season. Shaw and Grewcock for Jonno and Kay – not bad replacements by any means and should hang in with anything thrown at them on this tour. Shaw in particularly is immense and strong in both line out and scrum and carries well – he has been core to Wasps success.
But the back row worries me. Hill at openside? No cannot agree there but it is inevitable I think. And the blindside-8 combo? Back-Dally-Hill started the RWC final. If he plays Hill-Dally-Jones/Worsely we will get creamed. If he plays Hill-Dally-Corry that’s a very physical backline indeed and no one will have an easy time against it. The big problem is the ongoing absence of Moody (and incidentally at 25 there is a real chance he will never play again – recurrent fracture problems with the foot). Moody has the speed of a Chris Jones, the power of a Corry and the fearlessness of a Backy. He is the little blond bullet that hurried Rogers in to the clearance kick that produced the last line out if you recall.
If I had known Scotland were on I wouldn't have watched anyway. I'm waiting to see them against top ranked oppo.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Originally posted by Caligastia
How similar was the Samoan team to the one that held England at bay for most of that RWC match last year?
I honestly don't know, but have no reason to believe it was substantially different. I recognised a lot of the names. From the small portion of the game I saw, their attack looked impotent, which was the surprise. Scotland was stopping them, turning them over, and making strikes of their own.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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