Comrade Tassadar, Verto... Wtf is this all about?

[Verto]

Do you agree with the actions of the Mormon Church?

In performing baptisms for the dead? Absolutely. If you believe in the Church, it is a wonderful opportunity to provide loved ones with the chance to accept the Gospel. If you don't believe in the Church, then who cares what them Mormons are doing?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Tuberski


On dead people?

Big deal. Sounds like another excuse for mormon haters to complain.

If Tassism required every dead person to be raped, would it be OK for me to dig up graves and rape dead people?

Extreme example, yes, but Mormons really don't have the right to be treating Jews as if they were Mormon.
Nor anyone else for that matter.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


If Tassism required every dead person to be raped, would it be OK for me to dig up graves and rape dead people?

Extreme example, yes, but Mormons really don't have the right to be treating Jews as if they were Mormon.
Nor anyone else for that matter.

Not only extreme, but not applicable. We do not dig up corpses and dunk them in the water.

[Nubclear]

then who cares what them Mormons are doing?

Well because its insulting.
These mormons are showing no respect for the Jewish faith or the Jewish people by treating them as if they were dedicated Mormons.

Would you participate in a religious rite that marked you as a member of that religion even if you didn't believe in that religion?
The Church would not look highly on that.

We do not dig up corpses and dunk them in the water.

No, but you aren't treating the dead with respect. Thats my point: You should respect the dead. Unless they specifically said they wanted to become Mormon when they were dead, you should not be trying to baptize them.

It just makes Mormons look like the fringe-cult they are.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


If Tassism required every dead person to be raped, would it be OK for me to dig up graves and rape dead people?

Extreme example, yes, but Mormons really don't have the right to be treating Jews as if they were Mormon.
Nor anyone else for that matter.

They aren't treating Jews as Mormons. Mormons aren't baptized.

You are Baptized to become Mormon.

The real travesty of Mormon baptism is when it's not done correctly, as in the whole body not going underwater.

Then the poor,scared of water, eight year old has to be dunked by their 70 year old grandfather twice.



ACK!

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Tuberski


They aren't treating Jews as Mormons. Mormons aren't baptized.

You are Baptized to become Mormon.

OK fine, then Mormons should stop treating Jews as if they wantt o become mormon.

[Tuberski]

Based on Mormon religion, they may want to become Mormon.

If they do, then they are now Mormon, if they don't, then they are still Jews.

ACK!

[Verto]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


OK fine, then Mormons should stop treating Jews as if they wantt o become mormon.

They are not forced to accept the baptism. And you should stop treating everyone as if they don't want to become Mormon.

[mrmitchell]

Well. You know. It's nice, if you think of it as a Mormon. You're giving the dead, who never knew the right faith, a second chance.

But if you're not a Mormon, well, it looks like you're foisting religion on the dead.

[Boris Godunov]

It's offensive, sure, but I don't see anything really wrong with it. It's not as if they're digging up corpses and dunking them in water or anything. It's a ceremony that only involves the name of the individuals, not any of their personal effects. So it breaks down to this:

1) If the Mormons are right, then they person might get to go to Heaven, which is a good thing.

2) If the Jews are right, then the ceremony won't have any effect on the deceased's soul, so it does no harm.

3) If I'm right, then there's nothing going on after death for anybody, so no harm, no foul.

My question is, why are the Mormons only doing this for the Holocaust victims? Why not just start getting lists of all dead non-Mormons and devote themselves to constant baptism ceremonies of this kind? Seems to me that giving everyone a chance to get to heaven should trump all other concerns...

EDIT: read further, question answered, nm.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

Would you participate in a religious rite that marked you as a member of that religion even if you didn't believe in that religion?
The Church would not look highly on that.

To improve this analogy, I would participate in the religious rite, then be asked to decide whether or not I wished to accept it and become a member of the religion.

[Verto]

My question is, why are the Mormons only doing this for the Holocaust victims? Why not just start getting lists of all dead non-Mormons and devote themselves to constant baptism ceremonies of this kind? Seems to me that giving everyone a chance to get to heaven should trump all other concerns...

The work is not done exclusively for Holocaust victims. It is carried out for all non-members, hence the efforts and emphasis placed on geneology.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
No, you essentially said that Mormons think you can only go to heaven if your baptised and that if another church baptised your dead relatives you wouldn't really care because you dont think its binding....

Conversely, isn't it a little perverted that the Jews are so wigged thinking that if another church baptised their dead kin it would somehow void an earlier contract made with the very same diety?

Damn, this world is ****ed up.

[Nubclear]

JohnT: Yes, it is.

From what I see, this is just another example of Mormon extremetism. They see it as perfectly fine and right and while theres nothing "morally wrong" about it, its just not respectful at all....Mormons are trying to put a more moderate face on, and this doesn't quite help.
For me its painfully obvious why this would upset anyone who isn't faithful.
It's just like that guy over in Brigham City whos always reading from the book of mormon I'm fine with your religion as long as you don't try to forcefeed it to me.

[Verto]

Mormon extremism? Baptism for the dead is not something we made up, Comrade.