Socialist claim victory in Spain

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ned
Oncle, we you not arguing just a few days ago that the attack was not about Afghanistan, but about Iraq?

Oh, not so fast. I said that it could have been about Iraq- I was only supposing this in order to play upon my 'morality check', but not categorically asserting it.

The fact is, attacking Iraq did nothing to hinder Al-Qaeda. In fact, it probably helped recruitment. If Madrid's attacks are related to this, then it is because it was seen as an aggression against Muslims, but not directly against Al-Qaeda's infrastructure.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ned
Do you think Kerry ought to applaud Spain's withdrawal from the coalition?

They announced that they would withdraw?

My stance on Iraq, is that I think whether you agreed or not with the war in the first place, America should fulfill the duty it has undertaken- and with the help of the UN, if possible, to repair the diplomatic mess.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


I was just teasing you because you said "weather or not".

I never can get that one right!

[MOBIUS]

Actually I think it can be argued that Aznar and the PP made it more likely for Spain to be attacked...

By attacking Iraq instead of finishing Al-Qaeda vital resources were (and still are!) tied up in a pointless sideshow when they could have been used hunting down and destroying Al-Qaeda to the ends of the earth!

Just think what position Al-Qaeda might be in now if all the resources wasted on Iraq had been brought to bear on OBL and pals?

Would they have even been able to have mounted this bombing if they hadn't been allowed to regroup!?

Well...?

Personally I think that is the REAL crime!

[Drake Tungsten]

Actually I think it can be argued that Aznar and the PP made it more likely for Spain to be attacked...

Of course they did. Aznar's support for the US brought Spain to the attention of Al Qaeda; if he had abandoned the US like so many of our other European "allies", Spain might've been able to fly under the radar.

Just think what position Al-Qaeda might be in now if all the resources wasted on Iraq had been brought to bear on OBL and pals?

I doubt it would've made much difference. We can't easily get to Bin Laden because of political concerns vis-a-vis Pakistan, not because of any lack of resources.

[PLATO]

MOBIUS,

AQ has expended vast amount of resources in Iraq as well. It has been demonstrated by captured documents that they have focused on disrupting coalition efforts there. Your argument could just as easily be made in reverse.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

It's official- the Tungsten continuum has been overwhelmed by the Nedaverse.

Only a complete moron would think that Al Qaeda isn't ecstatic about this turn of events.

Oh, so that isn't your line of thought then?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
The kill ratio is still very much in the socalled West's favour.

That is soooo West- morland of you.

[Alexander's Horse]

Don't feel bad about the Socialist victory. Look on the bright side - Fez made a complete fool of himself again.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


They announced that they would withdraw?

My stance on Iraq, is that I think whether you agreed or not with the war in the first place, America should fulfill the duty it has undertaken- and with the help of the UN, if possible, to repair the diplomatic mess.

Unfortunately, they said they would withdraw. I can hardly think Kerry would be pleased by this as even he has agreed that we need more international support in Iraq.

[Ned]

I just saw Clark on Scarborough. He may presage what Kerry has to say.

He disagreed that the Spanish election had anything to do with appeasement of al Qaeda. He said that what it does illustrate is that Bush has been focused on the wrong issues and that we should strengthen our laws, define terrorism and should cooperate better on intelligence. He again asserted that Iraq had (has) nothing to do with al Qaeda, but does agree that we cannot withdraw.

He denies that the Spanish elections will make attacks against other coaltition partners more likely, especially to influence their elections.

Clarks comments are very similar to the comments we have heard here from the Kerry supporters.

[Giancarlo]

Well some here must be estatic that AL Qaeda won a victory. Particularily Sava.

[Alexander's Horse]

A victory for common sense is all it was. Made my day.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well some here must be estatic that AL Qaeda won a victory. Particularily Sava.

You know Giancarlo, what I find simply amazing is the denial by the left that the attacks, their association with al Qaeda and Spain's involvement in Iraq did not influence the election. They clearly did given the pre-attack polls showing the PP way ahead.

What this shows is that the left is feeling very vulnerable on this issue.

[Giancarlo]

Well some seem to think that some how the Popular Party was responsible. They are the arrogant, misinformed idiot. There is an election in two years for the seats, and I believe this government will collapse by then.