The Passion rotten so far

[Imran Siddiqui]

You have to suspend disbelief to watch almost every movie. I don't see why the Passion should be held to a different standard.

Because it is billed as being what is true. Why should I suspend belief for that?

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Define 'empirical.' What needs to be done to show that something is empirically true?

Empirical> capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment

I.E. It is repeatable.

[Ramo]

Gee, that was a suprise.

[Drake Tungsten]

Because it is billed as being what is true. Why should I suspend belief for that?

Jesus, Imran, you're mock ignorance has become very tiring as of late...

It is mock ignorance, isn't it?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Which is proved how?

Nice try. You won't bait me. I've been in enough of these threads to know how going down that path turns out for both sides. If you aren't interested in the message of the movie, don't see it.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You are the one who said you have suspend belief to watch The Passion.

You have to suspend disbelief to watch almost every movie. I don't see why the Passion should be held to a different standard.

If you claim something is fiction rather than fact, then you don't have to look to suspend belief in the events.

[Ben Kenobi]

capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment

Good

Now, I ask, in order for us to believe something is true, does it need to be verified empirically?

[Drake Tungsten]

And it's suspend disbelief, for god's sake. Suspend belief is the exact opposite...

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Nice try. You won't bait me. I've been in enough of these threads to know how going down that path turns out for both sides.

Sure... so don't go posting messages inferring something is factual, when its mere opinion.

"I think jesus is the son of god therefore its reasonable he gets up" is acceptable

"jesus is the son of god therefore its reasonable he gets up" isn't acceptable... since you're not making it clear its mere opinion... and you're just begging for an argument.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Good

Now, I ask, in order for us to believe something is true, does it need to be verified empirically?

It needs to be repeated and physically observed (or measured.)

[Jon Miller]

I think the physical suffereing was played up because it had to compete with movies already out there (a lot of bruce willis ones for example)

therefore it had to go extreme to have the same impact

Jon Miller

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Sure... so don't go posting messages inferring something is factual, when its mere opinion.

Would you have gone to see a movie like the 10 Commandments and shout loudly during the showing that such things aren't possible or that God isn't real? If you aren't prepared to accept a movie for what it is (in this case a religious picture), then why even bother talking about it?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'll try a different tack.

Everything that you believe is true, has it been verified to you empirically? Have you observed the action taking place?

[Drake Tungsten]

If you aren't prepared to accept a movie for what it is (in this case a religious picture), then why even bother talking about it?

My point exactly. Phrased better, as usual.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I'll try a different tack.

Everything that you believe is true, has it been verified to you empirically? Have you observed the action taking place?

Yes... everything that I believe is true has been verified to me empirically.