How far did the Gibson apple fall from the tree?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
This is JUST a movie!

So was Birth of a Nation. So was Triumph of the Will. That fact that it is a different form of speech, i.e., art, doesn't make it immune to criticism for racist, sexist, or homophobic content.

[Boris Godunov]

Yes, just like Braveheart.

[Dr Strangelove]

Should we condemn The Ten Commandments for its negative portrayal of Egyptians? Lawrence of Arabia portrays Arabs as ignorant, petulant, and childish, so perhaps it should be removed from the shelves of video rental stores. A strict interpretation of Oliver Twist would reveal the author's anti-semitic leanings in his early life. Heck, at times this board reeks of ethnic bigotry, such as the usual anti-French rantings, so let's close this board. The Gospels are a historical work and there appears to have been a historical conflict between Jesus and some Jewish authorities. It would be wrong to completely remove any mention of this.

Why would the Romans have prosecuted Christ? He preached pacifism to a somewhat hostile occupied populace.

As I said above, Mel Gibson could insert some sort of epilog that would function to defuse the criticism.

[Berzerker]

Well there's irony, indicting Mel Gibson based on his father's behavior, i.e., "collective guilt", and Jews complaining about this movie because it supposedly blames them for the death of Jesus, i.e., more "collective guilt". Did it occur to you Sava that you're doing what Gibson is alleged to have done?

[Berzerker]

Gibson has repeatedly stated he does not hold Jews accountable for killing Jesus. Rather, he says he holds himself accountable, as all of mankind is. Mankind's sin is what made the passion nessecary.

And Gibson is a practitioner of "collective guilt" as well. Spare me the BS, Mel, you didn't kill Jesus, I didn't kill Jesus, no one alive today or the past ~1900 years had a hand in his death.
And people who belong to this religion expect us to show respect for such bogus beliefs? No thanks...

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Berzerker

And people who belong to this religion expect us to show respect for such bogus beliefs? No thanks...

So because a few people who belong to a group advocate something you don't like you're going to "diss" them all. Oh my, so much "collective guilt" and so little time, my little kettle. This once again illustrates that we're all sinners on this bus. Well there's just one thing to do in a situation like this, let's all get together and pray for Berz.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


So was Birth of a Nation. So was Triumph of the Will. That fact that it is a different form of speech, i.e., art, doesn't make it immune to criticism for racist, sexist, or homophobic content.

Ok -- you caught me ranting, since there are obviously movies that deserve harsh criticism.



But the Passion of Christ movie is not comparable to something like Birth of a Nation.

[Berzerker]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


So because a few people who belong to a group advocate something you don't like you're going to "diss" them all. Oh my, so much "collective guilt" and so little time, my little kettle.

Of couse I'm "dissing" them all, they share the same belief. That's how their group is defined, by a shared belief.

This once again illustrates that we're all sinners on this bus. Well there's just one thing to do in a situation like this, let's all get together and pray for Berz.

This once again illustrates that logic and critical thinking aren't required to get a medical degree, better spend some time praying for wisdom.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of couse I'm "dissing" them all, they share the same belief. That's how their group is defined, by a shared belief.

I wonder if you got the 'diss' on you. They ALL share the same belief. Really... a group share the entire gambit of beliefs? So all liberatarians are exactly the same in their beliefs? You and David Floyd exactly agree?

[Ben Kenobi]

let's all get together and pray for Berz.

Amen, brother Strangelove.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Of couse I'm "dissing" them all, they share the same belief. That's how their group is defined, by a shared belief.

I wonder if you got the 'diss' on you. They ALL share the same belief. Really... a group share the entire gambit of beliefs? So all liberatarians are exactly the same in their beliefs? You and David Floyd exactly agree?

Have you ever met a practicing Catholic who didn't believe in Original Sin? It is rather integral to their faith.

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Have you ever met a practicing Catholic who didn't believe in Original Sin? It is rather integral to their faith.

There are people who think they are immaculately conceived in all faiths.

Now this is like the 2nd or 3rd time I've said this in the past couple of years I've been here, I'm a pre-Vatican 2 catholic. But you don't see me outside beating a bible into people's faces or being a raciest.

In fact I think the most controversial thing I ever mention in these forums that caused such an uproar is my negative opinion on multiplayer internet games and overuse of CGI in movies. Oh the horror! The unadulterated PG-13 horror of this registered Independent man who's behind all the "evil-white man conspiracies". Damn me!

I'll wait to see the movie before I make a judgment on it.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Yet the Pharisees were known to have protected messianic cults from attempts at persecution by the Saducees. So whether or not it would seem "natural" to you, it wasn't the historical case as far as we know.

The notion that the Pharisees would hand over a troublemaker to the Romans for punishment, of all things, is absurd. This is simply not something the conservative, anti-Roman believers in Mosaic Law would do to another Jew. It would be abhorrent to them.

Wasn't Jesus brought before the group of high priests responsible for the temple in Jerusalem? Would there be more than one of these groups?
Jesus wasn't the only early Christian to be persecuted by Jews. St. Stephen was murdered by a Jewish mob just a short time after Christ's death. If you think that the blame for this murder was also misplaced, then consider that the convert Paul admit to persecuting Chrisitians. You'd think he'd know if he had done so wouldn't you.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
If you think that the blame for this murder was also misplaced, then consider that the convert Paul admit to persecuting Chrisitians. You'd think he'd know if he had done so wouldn't you.

And there are plenty of reasons to be very skeptical of Paul's claims:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm

Maccoby has extensively researched the Pharisee issue, and he's found a lot that is dubious about Paul's purported adherence to them.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Berzerker

This once again illustrates that logic and critical thinking aren't required to get a medical degree, better spend some time praying for wisdom.

Eh... Who cares what you think. The people whose opinion really counts, the university I graduated from, and the state licensing board disagree with you. For some strange reason it's still legal for Christians to practise medicine in this country. Maybe you should try to do something about that. Just be certain to emphasize to the public that you are a libertarian.