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    Holocaust exaggerated: Gibson dad
    From correspondents in New York
    19feb04

    A WEEK before the United States release of Mel Gibson's controversial movie, The Passion of the Christ, the filmmaker's father has repeated claims the Holocaust was exaggerated.

    Hutton Gibson's comments, made in a telephone interview with New York radio talk show host Steve Feuerstein, come at an awkward time for the actor-director who has been trying to deflect criticism from Jewish groups that his film might inflame anti-Semitic sentiment.
    In his interview on WSNR radio's Speak Your Piece, to be broadcast on Monday, Hutton Gibson, argued that many European Jews counted as death camp victims of the Nazi regime had in fact fled to countries like Australia and the United States.

    "It's all - maybe not all fiction - but most of it is," he said, adding that the gas chambers and crematoria at camps like Auschwitz would not have been capable of exterminating so many people.

    "Do you know what it takes to get rid of a dead body? To cremate it?" he said. "It takes a litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million of them? They (the Germans) did not have the gas to do it. That's why they lost the war."

    Gibson's father caused a furore last year when he made similar remarks in a New York Times article.

    In a television interview with Diane Sawyer this week, Mel Gibson accused the Times of taking advantage of his father, and he warned Sawyer against broaching the subject again.

    "He's my father. Gotta leave it alone Diane. Gotta leave it alone," Gibson said, while offering his own perspective on the Holocaust.

    "Do I believe that there were concentration camps where defenceless and innocent Jews died cruelly under the Nazi regime? Of course I do; absolutely," he said. "It was an atrocity of monumental proportion."

    During his lengthy radio interview, Hutton Gibson, 85, said Jews were out to create "one world religion and one world government" and outlined a conspiracy theory involving Jewish bankers, the US Federal Reserve and the Vatican, among others.

    The Passion, which gets its US release on February 25, purports to be a faithful and graphic account of Christ's last 12 hours on earth.

    Jewish leaders who have attended advance screenings have voiced concerns that its portrayal of the Jews' role in Christ's execution could stir up anti-Semitic feeling.
    from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E1702,00.html

    I think the media has been blowing the whole Passion thing out of proportion... it's a ****ing movie people...

    But I am not sure Jewish groups are all that wrong when talking about Gibson's motives for making this movie or Gibson's feelings about Jews. Mel's dad is one of those Holocaust denial morons... I wonder how far the apple fell from the tree.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    It's quite possible Gibson has been influenced in this way by his father, but I'll reserve judgement on the movie till I see it.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Caligastia
      It's quite possible Gibson has been influenced in this way by his father, but I'll reserve judgement on the movie till I see it.
      agreed... but this isn't about the movie
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        I guess it depends on how close Mel is with his dad.
        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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        • #5
          Mel Gibson's father is his own man. Sometimes people are mentally ill or demented (the Vatican is involved in the conspiracy? ), so Mel Gibson shouldn't be painted with that brush. I have an uncle who's totally off his rocker, and I try not to hold it against his family.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Caligastia
            I guess it depends on how close Mel is with his dad.
            which is the question I pose
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #7
              Why do you think WE would know?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sava
                which is the question I pose
                I don't really have anything to add then...carry on.
                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                • #9
                  Well Gibson certainly hasn't said anything vitroilic as his father, nor is their any indication he does. It really wouldn't be fair to judge someone based on their parents.
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                  • #10
                    Personally, I'd like to know why people keep assuming the movie is anti-Jewish.
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                    • #11
                      "Gibson's father caused a furore last year when he made similar remarks in a New York Times article."

                      Yeah, I bet he'd like the cause of the Fuhrer

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                      • #12
                        I think we should argue about this for the sake of arguing.

                        Gibson is a filthy anti-semite.
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                        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          Personally, I'd like to know why people keep assuming the movie is anti-Jewish.
                          Well, the Jewish people who have seen it coming out and saying it reeks of anti-Jewishness might be helping that case.

                          Yeah, Gibson's father is a scumbag. But that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Mel's being his own asshat.
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                          • #14
                            "Well, the Jewish people who have seen it coming out and saying it reeks of anti-Jewishness might be helping that case."

                            Some Jewish groups, but not all, said it may inspire Anti-Semitism. The major one (ADL) certainly did not say it reeked of anti-Jewishness. Moreover, the most offensive scene in the move that Jewish groups complained about was removed.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                              Some Jewish groups, but not all, said it may inspire Anti-Semitism. The major one (ADL) certainly did not say it reeked of anti-Jewishness.


                              Suggest you look at their concerns.

                              Regardless, DD's question was asking why people were assuming such a thing, and I was providing a pretty reasonable answer.

                              Moreover, the most offensive scene in the move that Jewish groups complained about was removed.
                              The fact that such a scene was there in the first place and that Gibson had to remove it under such pressure doesn't bode well in his defense that he isn't on some level promoting an anti-Jewish message.
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