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  • #256
    Originally posted by Tamerlin


    I must admit I don't know this Zogby company you are talking about, I suppose that the name SOFRES does not ring a bell either in the USA. I am nonetheless pretty sure that the English and French medias are, if you consider them as a whole, certainly more unbiased than American ones. Some of your newspapers like the New York Times or the Washington post are cetainly on par with ours but I don't think they are those that are the most widespread. All in all your information networks appear really too americanocentric.
    Maybe yours are just too eurocentric
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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    • #257
      Originally posted by Havak
      Two problems with my accepting that - firstly our media here is extremely weel balanced which is why the poll results were reported without spin. They were subsequently discussed in various programs but as far as actual news goes it was just the facts presented - ie the poll results.
      The poll results may have been reported on fairly, but on the whole your media is far from unbiased. On recent visits to europe I have seen anti-american or anti-bush spin first hand. Then I get back to the US and find that the european reports were much ado about nothing (after further information is revealed).

      The other thing is that I know and trust the opinions of the guys I spoke to (to a certain extent). if they say there are problems then believe me there are problems.
      In no way am I discounting their experiences or doubting their honesty. I only point out that these are only the experiences of a few people who cannot possibly provide us with as big a picture as a nationwide poll.

      For both their reasons I like to know the criteria used for the polls - the where and whens for example.
      I looked on Zogby's website and unfortunately you have to pay to get detailed information like that.
      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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      • #258
        Originally posted by Caligastia


        Maybe yours are just too eurocentric
        At least, they are involving more than one country...
        "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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        • #259
          Are Texas and Maine in the same country?
          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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          • #260
            Originally posted by Caligastia

            On recent visits to europe I have seen anti-american or anti-bush spin first hand.
            This anti-american crap is generally coming from well-known newspapers who are not really recognized for the quality of their information. Unfortunately, every country has those stupid information networks and as far as I am concerned their content is not worth the ink they are printed with... whatever the country they are coming from.

            Moreover, I sincerely regret the number of trees cut down in order to produce the paper they are printed on.
            "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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            • #261
              I'm not really talking about newspapers. It was the BBC broadcast in Paris that showed me it's bias.
              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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              • #262
                Originally posted by Caligastia
                Are Texas and Maine in the same country?
                I suppose Maine would prefer not.
                "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                • #263
                  Originally posted by Tamerlin


                  I suppose Maine would prefer not.
                  Henny Youngman is alive and well and living in Toulouse!
                  " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                  "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                  • #264
                    I had to make some researches over the Internet to learn who Henny "one liner" Youngman was...
                    "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                    • #265
                      Probably the first of the stand-up comedians. I think he's credited with creating the classic:

                      "My wife went on holidays".

                      "Jamaica?"

                      "No, she went of her own accord".

                      And:

                      "Now, take my wife ... please!".
                      " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                      "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                      • #266
                        The BBC biased? Ah you have made my day - I can go and watch CBS and CNN news on satellite tonight and have a jolly good laugh at their impartial and accurate news reporting on George Dubya the man - and his US foreign policies.

                        More details on the poll - it included the Kurdish population (solidly pro alliance) which will distort the picture for the US/UK sectors in the south.

                        Of all the options polled about alliance forces staying in the country 53% of total responses indicated they wanted alliance forces gone (the time frame of withdrawal varied as the polelrs gave several options). That came from BBC TV Breakfast news without any anti US/alliance comment attached - is it made up?
                        It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                        • #267
                          Originally posted by Havak
                          The BBC biased? Ah you have made my day - I can go and watch CBS and CNN news on satellite tonight and have a jolly good laugh at their impartial and accurate news reporting on George Dubya the man - and his US foreign policies.
                          What? You don't get Fox News? I've never seen anything quite so rabidly biased.
                          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                          • #268
                            You are all lucky not to have a TV channel like the infamous French TF1, the news on this channel are so blank and hollow that they can be neither biased neither objective. :disgusting:
                            "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                            • #269
                              Actually I think Fox is available on the Astra satellite - but I've never tuned in.

                              I wonder if I can find TF1 on it?

                              *Rugby - Grayson picked up a calf injury in training. He is expected to be fit but it does mean we may face the propect of Mike Catt at fly half Saturday!*
                              Last edited by Havak; March 17, 2004, 08:01.
                              It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                              • #270
                                Don't even think about it, this channel is turning your brain into jelly. The problem is that it is the main French channel.
                                "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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