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[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Australia seems to be a real "Pays de cocagne".

A land of plenty? Yeah, plenty of connards.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
A land of plenty? Yeah, plenty of connards.

Sounds like the petit ophrys is already improving your vocabulary...

Anyone else notice how he sidestepped the chance to justify his unjustifiable stand against dummy runners?

United we stand!

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Sounds like the petit ophrys is already improving your vocabulary...

Le Petit Ophrys turns out to be a bit like my very good English-Italian dictionary, which includes a huge amount of idiom in the translations. But the P.O. is handier in that the idiom is the first point of reference.

United we stand!

Me raconte pas des salades!

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Me raconte pas des salades!

[finbar]

We might leave that for Havak to translate.

[Havak]

Buggered if I know guys – some nonsense about not telling you tales about salad?

And that's what I've never been able to fathom.

Because the judgment calls a ref have to make are extremely difficult with regards to whether it’s an obstructing move or not and it gets abused and ruins games for me. Plus like the way England are better at any phase of forward play and the SH teams therefore want all those laws altered so do the Tri nations teams stand supreme at using men ahead of the ball so I want all those laws changed. Seems only fair right?

I suspect Tamerlin agrees with me. You might find other allies for the Axis point of view.

Sorry to hear about Vodafone by the way.

Oh and do you know what I liked most about that link?

Learn why Australia are the defending World Champions.

Pays de cocagne Tamerlin?

I think Désert culturel is closer to the mark?

I've given them your phone number. You'd make a good Queenslander.

I know that is an insult – but I liked Brisbane and loved Cairns – plus I suspect I would raise the average IQ for the state as well.

Anyone else notice how he sidestepped the chance to justify his unjustifiable stand against dummy runners?

Not at all – I have never seen any particularly sensible justification for allowing men ahead of the ball (except in a maul).

*edit*

Now this is interesting:

Wallabies 2004 season:
13 June Australia v Scotland, Docklands Stadium Melbourne
19 June Australia v Scotland, Sydney Olympic stadium
26 June Australia v England, Lang Park Brisbane
17 July New Zealand v Australia, Wellington
31 July Australia v South Africa, Perth
7 August Australia v New Zealand, Sydney
21 August South Africa v Australia, Durban

The Wallabies are warming up for us with two tests against Scotland?

Is Matt Carroll insane I wonder?

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
Buggered if I know guys – some nonsense about not telling you tales about salad?

Not even close. Tamerlin has revolutionised my vocab since sending me the Petit Ophrys!

Because the judgment calls a ref have to make are extremely difficult with regards to whether it’s an obstructing move or not and it gets abused and ruins games for me.

Mmmm. The judgement calls are difficult for the ref. In that case, we'd better outlaw rucks and mauls too. There's often a very fine line between one and the other.

Plus like the way England are better at any phase of forward play and the SH teams therefore want all those laws altered so do the Tri nations teams stand supreme at using men ahead of the ball so I want all those laws changed. Seems only fair right?

Ah! The crux of the matter!

I suspect Tamerlin agrees with me.

I suspect les grenouilles invented dummy runners anyway. They certainly use them like they invented them.

Sorry to hear about Vodafone by the way.

And both parties claiming to have ended the association. I gather Vodaphone were severely cheesed off by the WRC signage business - they got nix return from the WRC and Telstra, the oppo, as an official sponsor, were plastered all over the place. Anyway, hopefully we've now seen the end of those stupid Vodaphone publicity stunts.

Oh and do you know what I liked most about that link?

Yes, but it's 1959 in Queensland.

I know that is an insult – but I liked Brisbane and loved Cairns – plus I suspect I would raise the average IQ for the state as well.

I think if you'd spent a bit longer up there - in Cairns, in particular - you might have discovered the dark side. And yes, your IQ would've lifted the local average substantially. It dipped a tad after Mr Foley left to coach over there.

Now this is interesting:

Wallabies 2004 season:
13 June Australia v Scotland, Docklands Stadium Melbourne
19 June Australia v Scotland, Sydney Olympic stadium
26 June Australia v England, Lang Park Brisbane
17 July New Zealand v Australia, Wellington
31 July Australia v South Africa, Perth
7 August Australia v New Zealand, Sydney
21 August South Africa v Australia, Durban

The Wallabies are warming up for us with two tests against Scotland?

Is Matt Carroll insane I wonder?

I remember we discussed this last year. Obviously England preferred two easy days in New Zealand.

Tamerlin? Where are you? I turned on FoxSports this arvo to discover yet another HC replay from several weeks ago. Your mob -v- Leeds Tykes. Gee, they jammed it up you in the second half. And as for Mam'zelle Labit's supposed try!

[Havak]

Not even close. Tamerlin has revolutionised my vocab since sending me the Petit Ophrys!

Any chance you could use it to form all your ‘insults’ then please?

The judgement calls are difficult for the ref. In that case, we'd better outlaw rucks and mauls too

No – rucks and mauls are comparatively easy to referee – except for refs from certain countries not yet engaged in their annual international tournaments who are bleeding clueless about them.

Ah! The crux of the matter!

Indeed – you say ‘free flowing and expansive’ where I say ‘unregulated and predicatable’ and all that.

I suspect les grenouilles invented dummy runners anyway. They certainly use them like they invented them.

Even Tamerlin would struggle to deny that after the opening Ireland game. Although as well as men ahead of the ball Dominici did try that novel ball ahead of the man move didn’t he?

Anyway, hopefully we've now seen the end of those stupid Vodaphone publicity stunts.

Butt naked blokes interrupting sporting events – yes thank god for that ending!

It must make life easier for the stadium announcers as well – “Our magnificent World Cup Winning Vodafone Wallabies” can now be cut down to just “Our Wallabies”?

Yes, but it's 1959 in Queensland.

You mean they made it past 1788?

It dipped a tad after Mr Foley left to coach over there.

My word that is frightening – the IQ of Bath dropped after his arrival after all.

I remember we discussed this last year. Obviously England preferred two easy days in New Zealand.

None of our three will be easy (perish the thought!) – whereas the warm up two for the Wallabies could be real massacres?

Oh yes – and Leeds are crap – one of the few teams Tigers have blown away this season. Which made the game against the European Champs even more bizarre.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
Any chance you could use it to form all your ‘insults’ then please?

Now that's a tempting invitation. Except Tamerlin would be the only one - well, apart from LDiCesares - who would understand them.

For future reference, when your boss is giving you the irrits, Me raconte pas des salades! means "Don't sh*t me!"

No – rucks and mauls are comparatively easy to referee – except for refs from certain countries not yet engaged in their annual international tournaments who are bleeding clueless about them.

Ah yes. Georgia.

Even Tamerlin would struggle to deny that after the opening Ireland game. Although as well as men ahead of the ball Dominici did try that novel ball ahead of the man move didn’t he?

I wouldn't know. I didn't see it! It's outrageous that Sky in New Zealand is showing the matches and FoxSports here isn't! If they can be bothered showing HC matches three weeks after the event, why won't they buy the 6 Nations rights?

It must make life easier for the stadium announcers as well – “Our magnificent World Cup Winning Vodafone Wallabies” can now be cut down to just “Our Wallabies”?

Or, alternatively, "our magnificent next World Cup-winning [INSERT SPONSOR'S NAME] Wallabies".

You mean they made it past 1788?

Barely. It's a world apart up there. The US has the Deep South, we have the Deep North. Proximity to the equator and the potential for the sun to scramble brains is telling.

My word that is frightening – the IQ of Bath dropped after his arrival after all.

Dumbing down is obviously the way to the top of your league. Have the Tigers considered lobotomies? By which I mean, have they considered lobotomising more than just VD?

None of our three will be easy (perish the thought!) – whereas the warm up two for the Wallabies could be real massacres?

I have no idea why the ARU ended up with two Scotland matches. Perhaps Ireland weren't interested in touring. Or maybe they had other commitments. Two England matches would have earned the ARU a fortune. There was obviously a limit to the number of Tests England could play in the time available.

Leeds are crap – one of the few teams Tigers have blown away this season. Which made the game against the European Champs even more bizarre.

Strange team, Toulouse. A few weeks ago I saw them play a terrific first half against, from memory, Ospreys. They went missing in the second half. Against Leeds they made themselves look ordinary in the first half, and Leeds made them look ordinary in the second half.

Speaking of grenouilles, I notice two Perpignan players ended up with 4 and 6 weeks after those mass citings by Wasps a while ago. You have to wonder where the officials were looking on the day. That was the match where the only punishment handed out was a card to a Wasps player.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
You might find other allies for the Axis point of view.

Pays de cocagne Tamerlin?

Your question is not an easy one, we have to speak about history.

The Pays de Cocagne is actually where I have been raised and where I am currently living. The Cocaigne or Cocagne is a little ball of compacted leaves coming from a flower called the Pastel. These Cocagnes were used to produce a blue dye called Pastel that was sought after in the whole medieval world.

From 1462 to 1562, the Pastel coming from Toulouse and its vicinity came to be considered as the most beautiful in Europe and was thus highly looked after. With the Pastel came the richness of the Lauragais and with the richness came the many castles, churches and dovecotes that are still covering the area.

If the Pastel was Raised in an area around Toulouse, the Pastel merchants (known as the Pastelier) where living in Toulouse and their fabulous fortunes made the wealth of the city.

The Pasteliers built many of the most beautiful monuments of Toulouse, fastuous houses called hôtels made from red brick (the main material used in the area) and from an ochre stone also coming from the surrounding land. Among the most famous are the Hôtel d'Assézat, the Hôtel de Nupces and the Hôtel de Bernuy.

Unfortunately, in 1562, the Religion Wars, which ravaged the Lauragais, and the rise of another dye called the Indigo started the inexorable decline of the Pastel market.

The richness faded away and now remains the colloquialism evoking a land of wonders called the Pays de Cocagne, a rich land that has disappeared... as if it were an illusion.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar

I suspect les grenouilles invented dummy runners anyway. They certainly use them like they invented them.

Most grotesque! :defyinglook:

Tamerlin? Where are you? I turned on FoxSports this arvo to discover yet another HC replay from several weeks ago. Your mob -v- Leeds Tykes. Gee, they jammed it up you in the second half. And as for Mam'zelle Labit's supposed try!

They have shown the first and worst game of the Stade Toulousain in this year's H-Cup... and certainly one of the worst of the current season.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
Even Tamerlin would struggle to deny that after the opening Ireland game. Although as well as men ahead of the ball Dominici did try that novel ball ahead of the man move didn’t he?

United we should stand!

[finbar]

Donne-lui une bonne taloche!

[Havak]

Except Tamerlin would be the only one - well, apart from LDiCesares - who would understand them.

As you well know that was my intent.

For future reference, when your boss is giving you the irrits, Me raconte pas des salades! means "Don't sh*t me!"

My boss is always giving me the irrits so I may road test it today.

Ah yes. Georgia.

A small town in NSW I believe?

It's outrageous that Sky in New Zealand is showing the matches and FoxSports here isn't!

Perhaps they believe there is no Aussie audience for it?

Or, alternatively, "our magnificent next World Cup-winning [INSERT SPONSOR'S NAME] Wallabies".

Ambitious – as I suspect the Wallabies will do well to enter it any higher than fourth seed given where it is being held?

Proximity to the equator and the potential for the sun to scramble brains is telling.

Cairns is where a taxi driver launched into a truly amazing tirade against Shane Warne (before his trouble) and ‘southern’ folk (NSW?) without any prompting from us ‘Pommie Bludgers’ so I have an inkling what you mean.

Dumbing down is obviously the way to the top of your league

Foley was a disaster and nearly got them relegated. Connelly turned them around as Foley was dumped to helm the forwards only – a task he is better suited to.

There was obviously a limit to the number of Tests England could play in the time available.

Although you would think so – the money men are now mooting a second match with Scotland every year to move the Calcutta cup outside the six nations. It’s a truly stupid idea – we need another game against France, Ireland, NZ, the Boks or Aus!!

You have to wonder where the officials were looking on the day

In Perpignan? They were already looking to the bar in the club house post game and the nice little Catalan restaurant for that evening.

The richness faded away and now remains the colloquialism evoking a land of wonders called the Pays de Cocagne, a rich land that has disappeared... as if it were an illusion.

I honestly thought you were simply pulling Finbar’s chain by calling Aus a land of plenty Tamerlin – but that was fascinating stuff. What it is to have a country with a history eh?

As for Dominici he didn’t affect the result so I felt okay about having a little laugh at him. My bad.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
As you well know that was my intent.

You need a Petit Ophrys yourself. You could slag Bath supporters mercilessly and they wouldn't be any the wiser.

A small town in NSW I believe?

Yes, but they play L***** there. Has to be the other one.

Perhaps they believe there is no Aussie audience for it?

Mmmm. What's the audience for a HC match at least three weeks old? Admittedly the HC stuff would be cheaper. FoxSports has tons of rugby. It's now the only television outlet for rugby. They know they'd get an audience. I reckon it's probably cost. Cheap bastards.

Ambitious – as I suspect the Wallabies will do well to enter it any higher than fourth seed given where it is being held?

Hasn't stopped them winning WRCs overseas before.

Cairns is where a taxi driver launched into a truly amazing tirade against Shane Warne (before his trouble) and ‘southern’ folk (NSW?) without any prompting from us ‘Pommie Bludgers’ so I have an inkling what you mean.

Now you're with me. And when the Cairns cabbie mentioned "southern" folk he probably meant Brisbane-ites. Anyone further south than Brisbane wouldn't have been so politely described. Oh, and Shane Warne, as a person, blew it with the majority before his most recent trouble. The ongoing sex scandals sank him. He's admired as a cricketer, but not much as a person anymore.

Connelly turned them around

The man you said couldn't coach.

Although you would think so – the money men are now mooting a second match with Scotland every year to move the Calcutta cup outside the six nations. It’s a truly stupid idea – we need another game against France, Ireland, NZ, the Boks or Aus!!

I wonder what it is about Scotland. Apart from an easy win.

In Perpignan? They were already looking to the bar in the club house post game and the nice little Catalan restaurant for that evening.

Very sensibly so.