Infanticide

[Jon Miller]

you know why they do what they do in partial birth abortions?

it is because the child would survive if they didn't

they are just monstrous

yet I seem to recall you supporting them Sava

with the same arguments

UJon Miller

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
For me, I hold that a baby can only be considered a person when it acquires sentience. More precisely, when it starts to have a concept of the self.

Out of curiosity, when does that happen? Would you be OK with killing the child anytime before that point?

[Elok]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
The only problem with your example is your brother can lay the same claim to the body. You simply has no precedence over him.

And the fetus can't? Hey, it's using those organs too! So it can't think? Suppose my siamese twin had severe head trauma? The only genuine distinction left is relative age. Brother A was there first, and therefore has license to kill his conjoined twin? Fuzzy at best.

[Heresson]

That was exactly my point what is inside there; there's no bigg difference between a child that passed the magical gate of vagina and the one who yet did not.

[Ben Kenobi]

Certainly you know that, whatever you call that thing that gets implanted, it is not a child.

Sloppy terminology?

I have been entirely consistent in conception as the standard for personhood.

Why should it matter, if the child is conceived outside of the womb, or inside? It is just a difference in location.

Now, what would you call the embryo, outside the womb? A dog, a cat, what would she be?

[Ben Kenobi]

Elok:

That's a splendid rebuttal of the concert violinist. I've not seen that one before.

[Az]

''People who think there is a difference between infanticide and late abortion have to ask the question: What has happened to the fetus in the time it takes to pass down the birth canal and into the world which changes its moral status? I don't think anything has happened in that time," he said, according to the paper.

I don't know about is this source real or not, but to this statement.

[Heresson]

Exactly

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

It's an embryo. If it was placed in front of you at the dinner table you'd probably assume it had fallen out of a vol-au-vent, and eat it.

Someone's going to suggest it should have the vote soon.

[Ben Kenobi]

Someone's going to suggest it should have the vote soon.

Right, and 16 year old teens cannot vote either. Not everyone who is a person can vote.

[Heresson]

There's a big difference between an embryo and a 8/9 month baby.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Right, and 16 year old teens cannot vote either. Not everyone who is a person can vote.

You're disenfranchising millions. What kind of tyrant are you, denying people a voice in political decisions?

[Heresson]

A lot of animals do that.

And we do not kill animals unless we want their meat (and it only applies to non-vegetarians), skin or whatever, do we?

[Elok]

I realize I'm nitpicking here, but if an embryo were placed on the table in front of me, I wouldn't even be able to see it, let alone eat it.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're disenfranchising millions. What kind of tyrant are you, denying people a voice in political decisions?

You're right. I do have a closet fascist fetish.