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  • #76
    In terms of electrical impulses between neurons, etc., sure. We don't have the computing resources or understanding to properly model the human brain, but I don't think that's impossible.


    Bollocks.. Are you really asserting that we will physically be able to see our 'thoughts'?

    So, what about the number pi? Have you ever seen it? Is its existence affected by physical laws?


    Are you stating 'pi' is religious?
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #77
      Bollocks.. Are you really asserting that we will physically be able to see our 'thoughts'?
      Not with vision. And I didn't say anything about will. I don't see why it's impossible given the adequate resources and understanding of the brain, however. Can you give me a good reason why not?
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        Bollocks.. Are you really asserting that we will physically be able to see our 'thoughts'?
        Why not? There are lie detectors. Who knows what we'll be doing in 5000 years from now?

        Are you stating 'pi' is religious?
        I think you guys have been uselessly picking on Ramo. No, anything non-physical is not necessarily religious. Free will, however, clearly and definitely doesn't fit into maths or any other a priori science. Ramo's statement may have been too short and prematurate, but it was obviously right at its root. Free will is a religious concept, as it is based on the existence of a non-physical, immortal soul. Is that so hard to understand?

        And to make myself clearly understood: no, 'pi' is not religious.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • #79
          BTW, good post, and good follow-up shepherding by Agathon.

          I can only concur: most anyone with the least reasoning ability can only be a liberal. Even the true libertarians, are, in a sense, liberals. Idiots run businesses and whine about their (evaded) taxes financing philosophy classes.
          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • #80
            most anyone with the least reasoning ability can only be a liberal.
            Then what would you consider me? A flaming liberal?
            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


              Then what would you consider me? A flaming liberal?
              I don't know. You don't sound that bad for a fundie.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #82
                I would happily consider myself to be a liberal, except I despise them.
                "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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                • #83
                  Can you give me a good reason why not?


                  Because thoughts aren't physical.

                  I think you guys have been uselessly picking on Ramo.


                  When he says dumb things, he should expect to get picked on.

                  Free will is a religious concept, as it is based on the existence of a non-physical, immortal soul. Is that so hard to understand?


                  Yes... because that explination just isn't true. Free Will means that humanity chooses its own path. You make a choice based on your own mental capacities.

                  I really don't see anything religious about it.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #84
                    You don't sound that bad for a fundie.
                    I'll take that as a compliment.
                    Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                    "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                    2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                    • #85
                      When he says dumb things, he should expect to get picked on.
                      It's only dumb if you interpret it in a dumb way (ignoring the context).

                      Because thoughts aren't physical.
                      You've never justified this.

                      Yes... because that explination just isn't true. Free Will means that humanity chooses its own path. You make a choice based on your own mental capacities.

                      I really don't see anything religious about it.
                      So ants and computers have free will? They "choose" their paths as much as we do.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #86
                        And thanks, OB.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

                          Yes... because that explination just isn't true. Free Will means that humanity chooses its own path. You make a choice based on your own mental capacities.

                          I really don't see anything religious about it.


                          Humanity chooses its own path, and so does a tree or a spider. To what extent is this path not related to some kind of deterministic essence remains to be seen.

                          There is no denying that free will originated from religion, and, as such, still hold many religious concepts. That it has evolved as it is conceived today is another story.
                          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                          • #88
                            It's religious because it's nonphysical. - Ramo, who therefore agrees that what I'm learning in Calculus BC is also religious
                            My Calc BC class way back when was a religious experience.
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                            -Bokonon

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                            • #89
                              You've never justified this.


                              It's quite obvious.

                              So ants and computers have free will? They "choose" their paths as much as we do.


                              Computers don't. They just do as they are told. Ants, yeah, I think they may have free will.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #90
                                It's quite obvious.
                                No it isn't.

                                How do you suppose thoughts arise from then? Magic?

                                Computers don't. They just do as they are told.
                                So do we. It's just that our code wasn't actually engineered by anyone.
                                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                                -Bokonon

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