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It doesn't matter if you have the physics right. If you believe that it is physical, there's no religion involved.
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ramo
If the meaning is trivial, why are you getting it wrong? Being affected by physical laws is not the same thing as existing within the universe (if a God or a soul exists, these would be within the universe but unaffected by physical laws).[/q]
False - physical laws are those laws that determine the behavior of those thing within the universe (within the universe = exists = physical), and thus determines the behavior of God or a sould.
Well, I'm sure you've explained it wrong 50 bajillion times.
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Free will = making your own decisions. My mind makes my decisions, my mind is part of me, thus I make my decisions. Thus I have free will.
You're ignoring the context in which I said that. Free will is something that affects physical objects. If something that's supposed to affect physical objects is nonphysical (God, Soul, etc.), something religious is going on (although it'd be fair to examine exactly what constitutes a religion).
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If something that's supposed to affect physical objects is nonphysical (God, Soul, etc.), something religious is going on
You mean like our thoughts? They are non-physical, but affect physical objects.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Capitalizing definitions don't make them correct. Nor does writing "false" over and over again.
How can your mind freely pick between choices in a decision?Free will = making your own decisions. My mind makes my decisions, my mind is part of me, thus I make my decisions. Thus I have free will."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Why do you say thoughts are non-physical? What exactly do you mean by a thought?You mean like our thoughts? They are non-physical, but affect physical objects."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Seems clear to me.free will is religious because it was first posited by religious people.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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If you disagree, please explain who (or what) the **** is choosing? My mind makes a decision. It makes it according to certain rules. That doesn't mean that my mind didn't make the decision.Originally posted by Ramo
How can your mind freely pick between choices in a decision?Comment
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It's ridiculous. Calculus was invented by religious people - is it religious?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Seems clear to me.Comment
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You're saying that the mind is choosing. It has to decide between various choices if it makes a decision, right?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Should havee said that right at the start.Calculus was invented by religious people - is it religious?
Agathon also explains why being religious is relevant to the concept of free will.
If they are religious, and postulate free will to solve a religious problem, then free will is clearly a religious concept.
Whereas, in Newton's case, he is a religious person, who developed calculus in order to solve physical problem. Hence calculus has nothing to do with religion.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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If they are religious, and postulate free will to solve a religious problem, then free will is clearly a religious concept.
No more than omnipotence is a religious concept. It is a concept that can have relevence to religion. That does not make it religious.
You're saying that the mind is choosing. It has to decide between various choices if it makes a decision, right?
Yes, and it chooses based on certain rules.Comment
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Why do you say thoughts are non-physical?
Can you see a thought? Does it take up matter?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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If the brain's algorithm dictates actions, how are there choices? At any point in time, the choice is purely a function of the algorithm.Yes, and it chooses based on certain rules.
Let me put it this way: Does a computer have free will since its coding will decide what it does? Does an ant have free will since its biological coding will decide what it deos?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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In terms of electrical impulses between neurons, etc., sure. We don't have the computing resources or understanding to properly model the human brain, but I don't think that's impossible.Can you see a thought? Does it take up matter?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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So, what about the number pi? Have you ever seen it? Is its existence affected by physical laws?Originally posted by skywalker
PHYSICAL = WITHIN THE UNIVERSE = EXISTS
BTW, you have failed to explain why a decision influenced by outside causality is free will. Making a decision is not a criteria for free will; bacterias make decisions.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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