Religionists - If Your Deity Was Proven To Be Unreal, How Would You React?

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Elok
Okay, I let off a long prolife thread to calm down over. Dropping the previous angle, I would say how exactly God is disproved is essential to the argument. How were we told this? Who argued it to us, with what arguments?

Is it really terribly important?
Surely you can jumo ahead and imagine your reaction?

Originally posted by Elok
I personally hold God to be an ultimate authority where veracity is concerned. Most "conflicts of church and state" result from hasty assumptions by one side or the other. For example, there's nothing in Christian canon that says the sun revolves around the earth. Also, science is a set of beliefs based on the assumption of a naturalistic cause for all things; a single "supernatural" ingredient creates a whole different universe, so evolution vs. creation is a pointless fight, like comparing hot dogs to Bach concertos. How do you compare the worth of two things so totally different? But I digress.

You digress, but I find it a good point.

Human failure plays a big part in why I am wary of human religious ideas.

Originally posted by Elok
Crap, I lost my train of thought. I think what I was going to say is, supposing somebody told you it is in fact our civic duty to hunt old people for sport, how would you react? I imagine your first response is something like, "why?" or "who said that?" You probably can't even imagine how such a thing could be (at least, I can't). That's much like how I feel. You're proposing a totally altered worldview based on quantities unknown. My reaction would depend wildly based on circumstances.

A good analogy.
Well, I would rationalise why old people have to be hunted, but if that was the way things had became...

Anyhow, I can imagine we have to hunt the OAPs and say:
"To hunt oldies, I would pack an MP40 MG, just for that antique feel."

I feel the same can be done for my question...

Your turn!

[monkspider]

Curt- Where are your kleenexes?

[Ben Kenobi]

/me adds another vote for Da Shi as spokesman.

Monkspider:

Very cool! I didn't know you guys got crush down there. I grew up on pop like that. I still like their orange crush most of all.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by monkspider
Curt- Where are your kleenexes?

Where are your synapses?

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by DaShi


I've got no beef against fun. But you are coming off as a jerk here, just to let you know.

If you think I honestly care what a bunch of online posters think of me, then you have it all wrong.

[Jon Miller]

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[curtsibling]

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[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi



Suit yourself. You'll never know what you are missing.

actually i do know what im missing. Crab, lobster, ham, i dont know, but bacon i do, thanks to a Reform Jewish upbringing.

Q: is it appropriate to say "grace after meals" after eating a non-kosher meal
A: Yes it is, since the grace is thanking G-d for nourishing us, and this is true without respect to the kashrut of the meal. It is not only appropriate, it is still mandatory.

[curtsibling]

@lord of the mark:

I'm curious:
what does a deity have to do with a meal you just ate?

Kosher or otherwise...

[Ben Kenobi]

LoTM:

Directed at Curtsibling, not you. Sorry for not being clear.

[curtsibling]

Care to reiterate, ben?

[Ben Kenobi]

Seriously?

/me puts on thinking cap that makes me smarter

Is it really terribly important?

Yes, it matters a great deal. If the Pope were to make an announcement would matter much more than say an anonymous german poster with a fetish for skulls.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by curtsibling
@lord of the mark:

I'm curious:
what does a deity have to do with a meal you just ate?

Kosher or otherwise...

Indeed - the deity is eternal. Radically other to the natural world. The meal is part of this world, the product of the restlessly changing processes of nature, life, birth, growth, death. How can the eternal impact the temporal?? What does it mean to speak of G-d IN the world???? These are deep, questions.


They cannot be fully addressed in a forum such as this, and i am not certain at this point of my stand on them.


I think at this point, that a mystical/kabbalistic approach is more promising than a traditional theological approach. To advance my knowledge in this area I am currently reading Gershom Scholems "The Messianic Idea in Judaism" I am a little saddened by his critique of Martin Buber, since I thought Bubers attempt to link Hasidic mysticism with modern Existentialism might be part of the answer, but i find Scholems arguement (that Hasidic mysticism contains a Platonic component incompatible with existentialism) compelling.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
LoTM:

Directed at Curtsibling, not you. Sorry for not being clear.

I understood that (i know youre not nasty) just saw an oppurtunity for a further riff.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Seriously?

Undoubtedly.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi * Ben Kenobi puts on thinking cap that makes me smarter

Better with an objectivity cap...

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, it matters a great deal. If the Pope were to make an announcement would matter much more than say an anonymous german poster with a fetish for skulls.

LOL!

The pope?
What does his edicts matter in this day and age?

The only matter to those who will listen, like your good self.

PS
Where did you get the notion that I am German?

PPS
And I could easily say you have a fetish for Sir Alec Guiness.